Agreed. This is Islam regardless of the country. This is who Mohammed was and to follow the whole counsel of the Koran, this is what happens.
The Grand Moufti of Egypt had said that the life of a Jew has less value than the ring of a mosquito. Christians experience severe protection at their hands every day of the year. There were more Christian Martyrs due primarily to Islam in the 20th century than in all previous centuries combined. Voice of the Martyrs and International Christian Concern have documented this at length and also work to advocate on their behalf.
I went to church with numerous Orthodox Christians who had moved from Palestine, among other countries. The situation is far, far more nuanced than this.
Yes. It's nuanced. Palestine is a nation under attack. The Christians band together across sectarian lines (Orthodox, RC, protestant denominations) because they're all in one boat from the perspective of persecution. And at another level all people there (Muslims and Christians) band together because they're all under the threat of the Israeli state, including their children going to school. The feeling I get from talking to pious Christians who have come from Palestine is that the above is more of an issue than Muslim persecution, though that does exist.
And my understanding is that Hezbollah and even Hamas are less sectarian and more secular in their function than they are painted in the west. Imagine Salvation Army or Catholic Charities beefing up and filling in societal functions in a crisis where the state is weak, not saying it's exactly the same thing but to give a sense of the direction I'm describing.
I respect your right to your opinion. I am limited on time in terms of research. I have done some including in response to things that others have posted in response to my own comments. I hope to make some posts in the near future based on those in order to generate conversation. It's what I value and I believe that that is what GAW is about. Though it may not appear that way, I do seek after truth. I'm truly sorry that I have come across this way. I hope that I can correct that going forward. I can be swayed bya thoughtful process, but, if that is to happen, it will likely take some amount of time, because of constraints on my schedule.
I grew up with an American GI father and a French mother. Although, I don't hate Muslims, I can't say that I've never struggled with negative emotions towards them because of the way they have treated their host country
including terror attacks and the kidnapping of French Muslim children back to their Muslim countries of origin.
The Israelis maintain three separate air defense systems , are forced to run to bomb shelters to avoid harm from debris falling from the sky when these systems are activated, missiles still sometimes break through, suicide bombers, knife attacks, car attacks, etc. No other country on earth would put up with living that way that I know of. I don't think that we would allow Mexico to do that to us, for instance. Disliking Muslims is not a surprising emotion.
Even given all of that, 2 million Israelis are Arab and participate in government. Israel children aren't taught in school to hate and murder Muslims.
Contrast that with Gazan children who are. Math is: there were 5 Jews, we killed 3, how many are left? We will kill them also. Summer camp is a mini boot camp where they handle weapons and are trained how to murder Jews who are descended from pigs and monkeys. They have video footage to prove this.
Israelis make job opportunities available to them. One October 7 survivor was grieved when she looked out the window and saw that one of them was someone who worked on their kibbutz that she had befriended including buying gifts for his children which he gladly received. Chaim Peri, one of the deceased hostages, used to drive to Gaza to pick up Gazan children to bring them back to Israel so that they could receive advanced treatment from Israeli hospitals that were not available to them in Gazan hospitals. Israel has given medical treatment to several of Haniyeh's (Hamas leader) relatives. Yahyah Sinwar was given life saving medical treatment for a brain tumor by Israel. Hamas blew up a convoy of about 70 children that Israel was returning to Gaza at Hamas's insistence. Hamas wanted for this as a condition for a hostage deal. Although Israel had brought these orphans in in order to care for them and keep them safe until the end of the war, they went ahead and granted that request. I could go on.
There is a difference between the two countries. It is possible to dislike someone and still choose to do right things.
The primary issue,I believe, is that full counsel of the Koran Islam results in hatred and murder of infidels with Jews and Christians being at the top of the list.
LOL about Israeli children not taught to hate, I hear this much from people parroting Zionist propaganda .....good and bad on both sides...people are also brainwashed by the state on both sides.
This song is an altered version of an earlier sign that was published and sung by these children in the wake of October 7th. It is not propaganda taught to children as a part of a regular diet is hate. It is a song that originally commemorated the loss/sacrifice of soldiers who helped to establish the state of Israel. These children are singing about a safe return to their homes after the war when they will plow their fields in safety again.
If I had a say,I certainly wouldn't have endorsed the song, but I can understand the sentiment. It was right to take it down. That said, this doesn't compare to school curriculum or a children's program anchored by a12 yr old girl and an adult in a bunny costume spewing Jew hate to children and encouraging them to grow up and be heroes and martyrs by killing Jews. Remember, to them Israel is the Little Satan and America is the Big Satan. We're next.
It can. What exactly are you saying?
Are you of the opinion that Jews are as full of hate and murderous intent as the Gazans? Serious question. I'm not Jewish btw. Im not opposed to adjusting my viewing on something, but i do seek to be thoughtful and careful.
Im not proclaiming to be an expert in the region, however I am learning quite a bit so Im not going to be able to convince anyone of anything.
Before Oct 7 I was mainly neutral on Israel as a country THOUGH,, .I STILL always took their side when I heard about their Gaza skirmishes....after all we have been propagandized to death about the "filthy mooslims", so they are easy to see as the enemy.
After Oct 7 is when I started to really dig into what is going on there and from those findings I have changed my position. I have learned about the evil nature of those that created and run this "country" and the tricks that they have employed over time to divide people in their never ending conquest for dominion over the rest of the World.
I have no issue with Jews other than Jewish people who talk that chosen one crap or Jews that refuse to call out evil people just because they are supposedly Jewish......I have no problem with Muslims as a whole though I just dont have much in common with them in general so therefore very few have found their way into my circle over the years.
Also note that I dont question people about things like jobs, religion and such when meeting them, I prefer to hear what they have to say first before attaching a label so I could hang out with someone multiple times before even knowing about these affiliations if they dont bring it up first.
Not sure if I answered your question but these are my thoughts.
I am in that place of researching. The biggest issue is that I am limited on time. Over the last few decades, I have followed the persecuted Church closely, so I can speak to that. In that process, I have learned about the the Muslim religion. There is a book that I hope to read called Islam Uncensored which interviews a host of individuals on the subject from various perspectives to include some from both sides. It records those conversations and let's then speak for themselves.
I don't hate someone for being Muslim, but the history of Islam being with Mohammed is pretty dark. I feel frustrated because I have the impression (rightly it wrongly, I didn't know) that there is a lop sided bias against Jews that glosses over that very dark and sordid history of Islam. It is heart rending, the abuses that Islam has motivated so many to perpetrate even against its own, especially women and girls. Peaceful Muslims exist, that's true, but the only way to do that is the focus on certain parts of the Korean to the exclusion of others. The doctrine of abrogation basically says that later teachings which are more harsh take precedence over earlier more peaceful ones.
I'm know that there are evil people who are Jewish who have done evil things. The original Khazerians, if my understanding is correct, were not actually Jews. They simply took on a Jewish identity out a wrong motivation.
I'm a work in progress on the subject. I'm not willing to make a big shift and paint all/most Jews in a negative light without a careful process.
And this is the West Bank. Now go to the Strip.
They have all been indoctrinated since birth. There are no real civilians. There are combatants and supporters.
Agreed. This is Islam regardless of the country. This is who Mohammed was and to follow the whole counsel of the Koran, this is what happens. The Grand Moufti of Egypt had said that the life of a Jew has less value than the ring of a mosquito. Christians experience severe protection at their hands every day of the year. There were more Christian Martyrs due primarily to Islam in the 20th century than in all previous centuries combined. Voice of the Martyrs and International Christian Concern have documented this at length and also work to advocate on their behalf.
I went to church with numerous Orthodox Christians who had moved from Palestine, among other countries. The situation is far, far more nuanced than this.
I would imagine that you have an perspective as a result of that experience.
Yes. It's nuanced. Palestine is a nation under attack. The Christians band together across sectarian lines (Orthodox, RC, protestant denominations) because they're all in one boat from the perspective of persecution. And at another level all people there (Muslims and Christians) band together because they're all under the threat of the Israeli state, including their children going to school. The feeling I get from talking to pious Christians who have come from Palestine is that the above is more of an issue than Muslim persecution, though that does exist.
And my understanding is that Hezbollah and even Hamas are less sectarian and more secular in their function than they are painted in the west. Imagine Salvation Army or Catholic Charities beefing up and filling in societal functions in a crisis where the state is weak, not saying it's exactly the same thing but to give a sense of the direction I'm describing.
Blanket statements like this shows lack of judgment in my opinion. Just like you can't lump every Jew as a Zionist.
Block this Israel shill. He's a MIGA troll. Look at it's comment history.
I respect your right to your opinion. I am limited on time in terms of research. I have done some including in response to things that others have posted in response to my own comments. I hope to make some posts in the near future based on those in order to generate conversation. It's what I value and I believe that that is what GAW is about. Though it may not appear that way, I do seek after truth. I'm truly sorry that I have come across this way. I hope that I can correct that going forward. I can be swayed bya thoughtful process, but, if that is to happen, it will likely take some amount of time, because of constraints on my schedule.
I grew up with an American GI father and a French mother. Although, I don't hate Muslims, I can't say that I've never struggled with negative emotions towards them because of the way they have treated their host country including terror attacks and the kidnapping of French Muslim children back to their Muslim countries of origin. The Israelis maintain three separate air defense systems , are forced to run to bomb shelters to avoid harm from debris falling from the sky when these systems are activated, missiles still sometimes break through, suicide bombers, knife attacks, car attacks, etc. No other country on earth would put up with living that way that I know of. I don't think that we would allow Mexico to do that to us, for instance. Disliking Muslims is not a surprising emotion. Even given all of that, 2 million Israelis are Arab and participate in government. Israel children aren't taught in school to hate and murder Muslims. Contrast that with Gazan children who are. Math is: there were 5 Jews, we killed 3, how many are left? We will kill them also. Summer camp is a mini boot camp where they handle weapons and are trained how to murder Jews who are descended from pigs and monkeys. They have video footage to prove this. Israelis make job opportunities available to them. One October 7 survivor was grieved when she looked out the window and saw that one of them was someone who worked on their kibbutz that she had befriended including buying gifts for his children which he gladly received. Chaim Peri, one of the deceased hostages, used to drive to Gaza to pick up Gazan children to bring them back to Israel so that they could receive advanced treatment from Israeli hospitals that were not available to them in Gazan hospitals. Israel has given medical treatment to several of Haniyeh's (Hamas leader) relatives. Yahyah Sinwar was given life saving medical treatment for a brain tumor by Israel. Hamas blew up a convoy of about 70 children that Israel was returning to Gaza at Hamas's insistence. Hamas wanted for this as a condition for a hostage deal. Although Israel had brought these orphans in in order to care for them and keep them safe until the end of the war, they went ahead and granted that request. I could go on. There is a difference between the two countries. It is possible to dislike someone and still choose to do right things. The primary issue,I believe, is that full counsel of the Koran Islam results in hatred and murder of infidels with Jews and Christians being at the top of the list.
LOL about Israeli children not taught to hate, I hear this much from people parroting Zionist propaganda .....good and bad on both sides...people are also brainwashed by the state on both sides.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3oNelks974
This song is an altered version of an earlier sign that was published and sung by these children in the wake of October 7th. It is not propaganda taught to children as a part of a regular diet is hate. It is a song that originally commemorated the loss/sacrifice of soldiers who helped to establish the state of Israel. These children are singing about a safe return to their homes after the war when they will plow their fields in safety again. If I had a say,I certainly wouldn't have endorsed the song, but I can understand the sentiment. It was right to take it down. That said, this doesn't compare to school curriculum or a children's program anchored by a12 yr old girl and an adult in a bunny costume spewing Jew hate to children and encouraging them to grow up and be heroes and martyrs by killing Jews. Remember, to them Israel is the Little Satan and America is the Big Satan. We're next.
hate begats hate
It can. What exactly are you saying? Are you of the opinion that Jews are as full of hate and murderous intent as the Gazans? Serious question. I'm not Jewish btw. Im not opposed to adjusting my viewing on something, but i do seek to be thoughtful and careful.
Im not proclaiming to be an expert in the region, however I am learning quite a bit so Im not going to be able to convince anyone of anything.
Before Oct 7 I was mainly neutral on Israel as a country THOUGH,, .I STILL always took their side when I heard about their Gaza skirmishes....after all we have been propagandized to death about the "filthy mooslims", so they are easy to see as the enemy.
After Oct 7 is when I started to really dig into what is going on there and from those findings I have changed my position. I have learned about the evil nature of those that created and run this "country" and the tricks that they have employed over time to divide people in their never ending conquest for dominion over the rest of the World.
I have no issue with Jews other than Jewish people who talk that chosen one crap or Jews that refuse to call out evil people just because they are supposedly Jewish......I have no problem with Muslims as a whole though I just dont have much in common with them in general so therefore very few have found their way into my circle over the years.
Also note that I dont question people about things like jobs, religion and such when meeting them, I prefer to hear what they have to say first before attaching a label so I could hang out with someone multiple times before even knowing about these affiliations if they dont bring it up first.
Not sure if I answered your question but these are my thoughts.
I am in that place of researching. The biggest issue is that I am limited on time. Over the last few decades, I have followed the persecuted Church closely, so I can speak to that. In that process, I have learned about the the Muslim religion. There is a book that I hope to read called Islam Uncensored which interviews a host of individuals on the subject from various perspectives to include some from both sides. It records those conversations and let's then speak for themselves. I don't hate someone for being Muslim, but the history of Islam being with Mohammed is pretty dark. I feel frustrated because I have the impression (rightly it wrongly, I didn't know) that there is a lop sided bias against Jews that glosses over that very dark and sordid history of Islam. It is heart rending, the abuses that Islam has motivated so many to perpetrate even against its own, especially women and girls. Peaceful Muslims exist, that's true, but the only way to do that is the focus on certain parts of the Korean to the exclusion of others. The doctrine of abrogation basically says that later teachings which are more harsh take precedence over earlier more peaceful ones. I'm know that there are evil people who are Jewish who have done evil things. The original Khazerians, if my understanding is correct, were not actually Jews. They simply took on a Jewish identity out a wrong motivation. I'm a work in progress on the subject. I'm not willing to make a big shift and paint all/most Jews in a negative light without a careful process.