Look, you are welcome to find use in these statements. I find a lot of use in them. They are useful. What they are not is statements of What Actually Happened. These ideals were NOT what was written into law. They didn't make it into the Constitution. The Constitution did NOT apply to all people equally. It wasn't even close. It was never intended to do so.
Am I saying there were no people who felt that way? No, I am not saying that. What I am saying is there is no way to know how a person actually felt. It is impossible. I am saying that when you take off your rose colored glasses and stop focusing on your ideals and what you "need" to be true, and investigate in earnest, you find all sorts of shit that you did not expect. The most important being the laws we actually got.
You can choose to ignore that if you wish; make appeals to pathos ("those that sacrificed"), ignore logos completely, ignore what actually happened, ignore the actual laws that led to where we are today. That is within your purview. You are welcome to choose anything you wish. But if you do, and you ignore all the shit that actually happened, you do NO ONE a service by espousing the evil that actually exists because of what choices were actually made by the people who created our government.
The Constitution was SHIT. It laid false claims on the individual's life, liberty, and property, straight up, in multiple places. It ensured that the power structure remained in the Aristocracy. The reason that we see a world today where people own nothing, and are ruled by the same Aristocracy is because it was designed to ensure that happened.
So at least acknowledge the shit that is there so we can fix it instead of lauding your heroes, who may or may not be as deserving of your praise as you think, at the expense of what We The People actually need to fulfill those flowery words as reality.
Like I said, I have been researching and learning about this since 1991. I feel I am familiar with the laws and the intent of those who established this Republic. I also know that they were human, and imperfect, just like the rest of us. They were not always right, nor did they always agree on things when working to establish the "Great Experiment" of our Constitutional Republic.
Your understanding of the founders and the establishment of our Constitutional Republic is very different from my own. I am not looking through "rose colored glasses", I am leaning on my understanding based upon my own extensive research and study.
I view the Constitution as genius, and the men who founded our Republic as enlightened in the subject of government and individual sovereignty that allowed them to establish something incredible.
Where we are today is the result of evil minded people who either ignored, or twisted, the plain meaning of the Constitution to pervert our government away from the limits of power it should be operating within. So, yes, I acknowledge that there are a lot of things that need to be fixed, but it is not a result of nefarious intentions of our founders. It is 100% due to the intentional undermining of the Constitution and founding principles by people determined to rule rather than serve.
What I see to be true is not based out of a need for it to be true, but because it is true. It is clear you and I will not agree on this subject. That is fine, that is what individual liberty is all about.
Look, you are welcome to find use in these statements. I find a lot of use in them. They are useful. What they are not is statements of What Actually Happened. These ideals were NOT what was written into law. They didn't make it into the Constitution. The Constitution did NOT apply to all people equally. It wasn't even close. It was never intended to do so.
Am I saying there were no people who felt that way? No, I am not saying that. What I am saying is there is no way to know how a person actually felt. It is impossible. I am saying that when you take off your rose colored glasses and stop focusing on your ideals and what you "need" to be true, and investigate in earnest, you find all sorts of shit that you did not expect. The most important being the laws we actually got.
You can choose to ignore that if you wish; make appeals to pathos ("those that sacrificed"), ignore logos completely, ignore what actually happened, ignore the actual laws that led to where we are today. That is within your purview. You are welcome to choose anything you wish. But if you do, and you ignore all the shit that actually happened, you do NO ONE a service by espousing the evil that actually exists because of what choices were actually made by the people who created our government.
The Constitution was SHIT. It laid false claims on the individual's life, liberty, and property, straight up, in multiple places. It ensured that the power structure remained in the Aristocracy. The reason that we see a world today where people own nothing, and are ruled by the same Aristocracy is because it was designed to ensure that happened.
So at least acknowledge the shit that is there so we can fix it instead of lauding your heroes, who may or may not be as deserving of your praise as you think, at the expense of what We The People actually need to fulfill those flowery words as reality.
Like I said, I have been researching and learning about this since 1991. I feel I am familiar with the laws and the intent of those who established this Republic. I also know that they were human, and imperfect, just like the rest of us. They were not always right, nor did they always agree on things when working to establish the "Great Experiment" of our Constitutional Republic.
Your understanding of the founders and the establishment of our Constitutional Republic is very different from my own. I am not looking through "rose colored glasses", I am leaning on my understanding based upon my own extensive research and study.
I view the Constitution as genius, and the men who founded our Republic as enlightened in the subject of government and individual sovereignty that allowed them to establish something incredible.
Where we are today is the result of evil minded people who either ignored, or twisted, the plain meaning of the Constitution to pervert our government away from the limits of power it should be operating within. So, yes, I acknowledge that there are a lot of things that need to be fixed, but it is not a result of nefarious intentions of our founders. It is 100% due to the intentional undermining of the Constitution and founding principles by people determined to rule rather than serve.
What I see to be true is not based out of a need for it to be true, but because it is true. It is clear you and I will not agree on this subject. That is fine, that is what individual liberty is all about.