Yeah, we are in a neighborhood with HOA, we would love to get a place more in the country with a few acres, but it's still too expensive and right now houses are not flying off the market like it used to. When Trump was in office, our neighborhood couldn't keep a house on the market more than a few days, now there's homes been on the market for over a year now.
I know the feeling. Took me a long time to get out from under that one during the last big market downturn. I'm out in the sticks now, wouldn't trade it for anything.
I just spoke with a realtor. Told them no hoa listing's. Sorry for those who own a house in an hoa that nobody wants but maybe they'll fight the idiots amd rollback the stupidity.
HOA fee's are not a tax. It is a voluntary contractual obligation people enter into when buying real estate that includes an HOA. If you do not want to be in an HOA then don't buy in an HOA subdivision.
To my knowledge, there's nothing un-Constitutional about a city or county levying a property tax. They're too damn high in many cities, and in my big blue city I get absolutely nothing for my property taxes, but federal income tax? Completely un-constitutional and far, far more important to fight.
Actually, one of the founding principles upon which our Republic was established is the right to own property. A recurring tax makes that impossible. Government has no authority to levy a recurring property tax. Remember, government was instituted to protect our individual rights and serve us, not tax us to death and rule over us.
Recurring property taxes are responsible for more people losing their homes than you probably realize. It also makes owning a home impossible since there will always be a payment, even when the mortgage is paid in full. Many people can afford to pay when they are younger, healthy, and employed, but older people who are on fixed incomes often cannot.
Property taxes aren't unconstitutional. On the contrary, the constitution explicitly states that all property (not just land or houses, but all property) belongs to the US Govt. Not only does all property belong to the US Govt, but all people do as well. This was built into the Constitution (both of these proclamations are explicitly stated in the Fifth Amendment if you know the other laws on the books at the time, but you can find them stated implicitly in the original document itself in numerous places).
Of course the US Govt doesn't actually exist. It is a corporation (which means, by definition, an entity that only exists within a certain framework of law, aka a legal fiction). Like all such entities that don't actually exist, the claims of ownership are made by people and separated into the controllers (trustees) and the beneficiaries, who are also alwayspeople. This is the nature of Trust Law. The trustees and beneficiaries are ALWAYS ultimately people, no matter how many corporations (legal fictions) fall in the middle to confuse the issue. At the time of the writing of the constitution, the controllers (trustees) of all the land and all the people that are "owned" by the US Govt were the Aristocrats that created it. They were also, on their whim, the beneficiaries, a condition built into the constitution itself. The entire thing was designed to ensure that those Aristocrats would always retain the power over everything.
How was this accomplished? Well, originally it was designed such that only land owners could vote. Less than 3% of the population were land owners, all of them Aristocrats, descended from land owners who were themselves the direct descendants of the Lords of Britain and Holland, all intermarrying to preserve their bloodlines. These few who could vote remained the few who could vote for quite some time since land could only be purchased in 320 acre lots. These land buying laws ensured that no one who was not already filthy rich could possibly buy land.
Things eventually changed, but all sorts of laws and other social constructs remained to ensure that only the Aristocrats could possibly become Senators, Presidents, Judges, etc. Though the reasons have changed over the years, that situation still remains today.
People who worry about whether or not a thing is "constitutional" rather than whether or not a thing is Right (or related to a persons inalienable Rights) do not understand what the Constitution was: It was a document created by the American Aristocrats in protest against the King of England, declaring themselves their own Rulers, rejecting the monarchy and embracing their own Aristocracy. It was also highly influenced by the Bankers. Indeed, the Bankers (Rothschild et al) inspired and funded the US Revolution (both sides), just like every other war of the past four centuries or so.
Those who espouse the "Constitution" as being the best thing ever have never actually read it in earnest and/or are completely oblivious to the other laws that made up the government at the time. They are instead spouting off the nonsense they have been trained to believe by their Controlled Opposition agents. We are where we are today because the Constitution was designed to lead us here.
Those who espouse the "Constitution" as being the best thing ever have never actually read it in earnest...They are instead spouting off the nonsense they have been trained to believe
I espouse the Constitution, as originally signed by the founders. I have been studying the establishment of our Republic since 1991 when I served in the Gulf War. I was disillusioned by the lies I was told and had my eye opening moment that led me to want to better understand what I took an oath to defend.
I have spent many hours researching the true history and read many private correspondence of many of the founders, ready original law books of their era, and was very impressed with the original intent of our federal government.
Some of what you allude to is true, but taken out of context. Regardless, I believe in the founding principles of our Constitutional Republic, and have my own research and understanding to support my faith in the great experiment.
I assume you mean the context of things like the Federalist Papers and other documents created by the people you are calling the "Founding Fathers" (FF). That is, quite frankly, irrelevant. It isn't irrelevant as a work of philosophy, or a work of history, but as a work of law, which is what the Constitution is, it is 100% irrelevant. A judge might take that, or other such documents, such as the DoI, into consideration when adjudicating Constitutional Law, but they might not as well, and indeed, there is evidence that both have happened with the vast majority (as far as I have found) falling into the category of "FF opinions don't mean shit." That is because there is nothing that requires that to be the case. Thus, "what is Constitutional" becomes a matter of the whims of the Judge.
I too had previously had faith in the Constitution and the "intentions of the Founding Fathers." I too had read many of their documents (Federalist Papers, John Locke, etc.). Upon awakening I began a whole new investigation. I wanted to know how we got from there to here. At every turn of that investigation I ran into two surprising things I did not expect; a direct tie to Bankers, and signs of Controlled Opposition; signs of intentions different than how they appeared on the surface. These things presented both conflicts of interest and reasonable doubts on the actual intentions of the people who created our country. There were all sorts of hidden things, things lying underneath, that made me dig deeper the second time around. And again, I focused on what actually happened, not on the flowery words and philosophical musings.
Because of all these things, I suggest it is incredibly important to look at laws first, and opinions second. Opinions, no matter who wrote them, have no place in law (what actually guides development) unless by the whims of some individual with power. Like, you can find instances of people quoting Founding Father's opinion pieces in congressional records, but what actually wins in the end is the law. The Law is the Ultimate Authority. The opinions may or may not be influential or even get lip service at all. They are just works of philosophy, nothing more, and are always treated as such. The law however is always treated as LAW.
When you look at the actual constitution and the Bill of Rights, and you put it into the context of the actual laws, you see exactly what I am saying. The philosophies of a few people are irrelevant to what actually guides society in the legal sense. If there is a conflict between the Law and the Opinion, almost every time the Law wins. That is why the Law matters, and the Opinions do not.
I also can't stress enough how much is hidden; hidden associations, hidden agendas, hidden purposes. Believing you know the actual intentions of any of the writers of those opinions is foolish. There are all sorts of people in such positions of former power, with their flowery philosophies, that are provably compromised, or reasonably suspected as compromised. Even for those that are not, assuming they are acting in earnest is foolish. There are literally spies everywhere.
Looking into Benjamin Franklin for example brings up all sorts of very questionable motives. He was certainly an Elitist of the most profound magnitude. He was an Aristocrat, a Malthusian (he inspired the Malthus population control philosophies), a eugenicist (before eugenics was cool), and a high level Freemason (which automatically means oaths of fealty and hidden agendas, even if we don't know what those agendas are). His past is painted as "underprivileged" yet investigation shows that nothing could be further from the truth. He was born at the top of society and had all of the privileges and opportunities afforded to all other members of the Aristocracy. He was massively influential in so many pieces of fuckery it's difficult to comprehend until you dig in. There are even all the signs that he was a member of the Ritual Child Sacrifice Cult of Magic that has existed within the power structure for thousands of years.
That is a very brief synopsis of just one person. There are so many more. Once you take off the rose colored glasses and actually investigate these people, with an understanding of the specifics of the hidden power structure, you see all the signs of hidden agendas.
Take one more thing as example, since it is relevant to my original post. The DoI says:
all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
There are numerous reasons to believe that "all men are created equal" DID NOT MEAN what you think it means, nevertheless, because of the topic of this piece of the thread I will not focus on that. I will focus on the second part:
among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
John Locke, the supposed inspiration of these words was all about private ownership of property. It was essential in his philosophy that a person could own their own land, that it was not subject in any way to the whims of a Sovereign. For if a person's property was subject to a Sovereign (other than the person themselves), then they themselves were ultimately also subject (in every sense of that word) to that external "Sovereign," which is to say, slaves.
The DoI could have said:
among these are Life, Liberty and Property
and been perfectly in line with Locke, but it did not. A persons property (not just land, but all property) was left out. Why? Well, because then the Constitution couldn't later lay claim to all property, or at least if it did the hypocrisy would be obvious. This lack of inclusion of property in the DoI and the explicit claims to all property by the Sovereign Government (which really means (legally speaking) the Sovereign people controlling the government) ensured that We The People would always be subject (slaves) to those people. You have a God Given Right (Natural Law) to Defend Your Property. The Constitution takes that Right away. YOU DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO DEFEND YOUR PROPERTY IF ANYONE IN THE GOVERNMENT WANTS IT. And legally speaking, they can take it on a whim. Indeed, that happens all the time.
The IRS, as an acting agent of the Treasury Department (technically a private subcontractor, but still an "acting agent") can, on suspicion of a "tax crime," take all of your property, with no court that will adjudicate in your favor. That system, as evil as it is, stems from the omission in the DoI and the explicit statements in the Constitution. That system was inevitable and is completely legal, indeed, it was there from the foundation.
So whatever the "opinions" of the "Founding Fathers" may have been, or whatever you believe them to be, it is irrelevant to what actually happened, or what could happen,, because of the Laws as written.
The fuckery is there, from day one. Defending it does exactly zero people any good, and a whole lot of harm. Until we stop defending it, we can never break free of it's evils.
Now do property tax.
ONCE, Just ONCE, I made the mistake of buying a home with an HOA.
Amen!
Yeah, we are in a neighborhood with HOA, we would love to get a place more in the country with a few acres, but it's still too expensive and right now houses are not flying off the market like it used to. When Trump was in office, our neighborhood couldn't keep a house on the market more than a few days, now there's homes been on the market for over a year now.
I know the feeling. Took me a long time to get out from under that one during the last big market downturn. I'm out in the sticks now, wouldn't trade it for anything.
The purpose of HOAs was supposed to be to raise property values for the homeowners.
The irony is that many people (including myself) would never buy a home connected to an HOA.
I just spoke with a realtor. Told them no hoa listing's. Sorry for those who own a house in an hoa that nobody wants but maybe they'll fight the idiots amd rollback the stupidity.
HOA fee's are not a tax. It is a voluntary contractual obligation people enter into when buying real estate that includes an HOA. If you do not want to be in an HOA then don't buy in an HOA subdivision.
School Tax too
Yeah, and demand a refund until math and reading rates are 90% or better. Then we'll see.
Almost all non commercial taxes need to go
"Now do property tax."
"School Tax too"
You guys beat me to it!
That's an entirely different battle.
To my knowledge, there's nothing un-Constitutional about a city or county levying a property tax. They're too damn high in many cities, and in my big blue city I get absolutely nothing for my property taxes, but federal income tax? Completely un-constitutional and far, far more important to fight.
Actually, one of the founding principles upon which our Republic was established is the right to own property. A recurring tax makes that impossible. Government has no authority to levy a recurring property tax. Remember, government was instituted to protect our individual rights and serve us, not tax us to death and rule over us.
Recurring property taxes are responsible for more people losing their homes than you probably realize. It also makes owning a home impossible since there will always be a payment, even when the mortgage is paid in full. Many people can afford to pay when they are younger, healthy, and employed, but older people who are on fixed incomes often cannot.
Property tax means you never really own your property. You are renting from the government. If you don't pay they seize your land. Totally evil.
Property taxes aren't unconstitutional. On the contrary, the constitution explicitly states that all property (not just land or houses, but all property) belongs to the US Govt. Not only does all property belong to the US Govt, but all people do as well. This was built into the Constitution (both of these proclamations are explicitly stated in the Fifth Amendment if you know the other laws on the books at the time, but you can find them stated implicitly in the original document itself in numerous places).
Of course the US Govt doesn't actually exist. It is a corporation (which means, by definition, an entity that only exists within a certain framework of law, aka a legal fiction). Like all such entities that don't actually exist, the claims of ownership are made by people and separated into the controllers (trustees) and the beneficiaries, who are also always people. This is the nature of Trust Law. The trustees and beneficiaries are ALWAYS ultimately people, no matter how many corporations (legal fictions) fall in the middle to confuse the issue. At the time of the writing of the constitution, the controllers (trustees) of all the land and all the people that are "owned" by the US Govt were the Aristocrats that created it. They were also, on their whim, the beneficiaries, a condition built into the constitution itself. The entire thing was designed to ensure that those Aristocrats would always retain the power over everything.
How was this accomplished? Well, originally it was designed such that only land owners could vote. Less than 3% of the population were land owners, all of them Aristocrats, descended from land owners who were themselves the direct descendants of the Lords of Britain and Holland, all intermarrying to preserve their bloodlines. These few who could vote remained the few who could vote for quite some time since land could only be purchased in 320 acre lots. These land buying laws ensured that no one who was not already filthy rich could possibly buy land.
Things eventually changed, but all sorts of laws and other social constructs remained to ensure that only the Aristocrats could possibly become Senators, Presidents, Judges, etc. Though the reasons have changed over the years, that situation still remains today.
People who worry about whether or not a thing is "constitutional" rather than whether or not a thing is Right (or related to a persons inalienable Rights) do not understand what the Constitution was: It was a document created by the American Aristocrats in protest against the King of England, declaring themselves their own Rulers, rejecting the monarchy and embracing their own Aristocracy. It was also highly influenced by the Bankers. Indeed, the Bankers (Rothschild et al) inspired and funded the US Revolution (both sides), just like every other war of the past four centuries or so.
Those who espouse the "Constitution" as being the best thing ever have never actually read it in earnest and/or are completely oblivious to the other laws that made up the government at the time. They are instead spouting off the nonsense they have been trained to believe by their Controlled Opposition agents. We are where we are today because the Constitution was designed to lead us here.
Edgy
What's your proposed alternative
I espouse the Constitution, as originally signed by the founders. I have been studying the establishment of our Republic since 1991 when I served in the Gulf War. I was disillusioned by the lies I was told and had my eye opening moment that led me to want to better understand what I took an oath to defend.
I have spent many hours researching the true history and read many private correspondence of many of the founders, ready original law books of their era, and was very impressed with the original intent of our federal government.
Some of what you allude to is true, but taken out of context. Regardless, I believe in the founding principles of our Constitutional Republic, and have my own research and understanding to support my faith in the great experiment.
For anyone interested in researching for yourself, here is a good place to start; https://teamlaw.net/Mythology-CorpUS.htm
I recommend doing your own independent research of what you find to verify and confirm for yourself.
I assume you mean the context of things like the Federalist Papers and other documents created by the people you are calling the "Founding Fathers" (FF). That is, quite frankly, irrelevant. It isn't irrelevant as a work of philosophy, or a work of history, but as a work of law, which is what the Constitution is, it is 100% irrelevant. A judge might take that, or other such documents, such as the DoI, into consideration when adjudicating Constitutional Law, but they might not as well, and indeed, there is evidence that both have happened with the vast majority (as far as I have found) falling into the category of "FF opinions don't mean shit." That is because there is nothing that requires that to be the case. Thus, "what is Constitutional" becomes a matter of the whims of the Judge.
I too had previously had faith in the Constitution and the "intentions of the Founding Fathers." I too had read many of their documents (Federalist Papers, John Locke, etc.). Upon awakening I began a whole new investigation. I wanted to know how we got from there to here. At every turn of that investigation I ran into two surprising things I did not expect; a direct tie to Bankers, and signs of Controlled Opposition; signs of intentions different than how they appeared on the surface. These things presented both conflicts of interest and reasonable doubts on the actual intentions of the people who created our country. There were all sorts of hidden things, things lying underneath, that made me dig deeper the second time around. And again, I focused on what actually happened, not on the flowery words and philosophical musings.
Because of all these things, I suggest it is incredibly important to look at laws first, and opinions second. Opinions, no matter who wrote them, have no place in law (what actually guides development) unless by the whims of some individual with power. Like, you can find instances of people quoting Founding Father's opinion pieces in congressional records, but what actually wins in the end is the law. The Law is the Ultimate Authority. The opinions may or may not be influential or even get lip service at all. They are just works of philosophy, nothing more, and are always treated as such. The law however is always treated as LAW.
When you look at the actual constitution and the Bill of Rights, and you put it into the context of the actual laws, you see exactly what I am saying. The philosophies of a few people are irrelevant to what actually guides society in the legal sense. If there is a conflict between the Law and the Opinion, almost every time the Law wins. That is why the Law matters, and the Opinions do not.
I also can't stress enough how much is hidden; hidden associations, hidden agendas, hidden purposes. Believing you know the actual intentions of any of the writers of those opinions is foolish. There are all sorts of people in such positions of former power, with their flowery philosophies, that are provably compromised, or reasonably suspected as compromised. Even for those that are not, assuming they are acting in earnest is foolish. There are literally spies everywhere.
Looking into Benjamin Franklin for example brings up all sorts of very questionable motives. He was certainly an Elitist of the most profound magnitude. He was an Aristocrat, a Malthusian (he inspired the Malthus population control philosophies), a eugenicist (before eugenics was cool), and a high level Freemason (which automatically means oaths of fealty and hidden agendas, even if we don't know what those agendas are). His past is painted as "underprivileged" yet investigation shows that nothing could be further from the truth. He was born at the top of society and had all of the privileges and opportunities afforded to all other members of the Aristocracy. He was massively influential in so many pieces of fuckery it's difficult to comprehend until you dig in. There are even all the signs that he was a member of the Ritual Child Sacrifice Cult of Magic that has existed within the power structure for thousands of years.
That is a very brief synopsis of just one person. There are so many more. Once you take off the rose colored glasses and actually investigate these people, with an understanding of the specifics of the hidden power structure, you see all the signs of hidden agendas.
Take one more thing as example, since it is relevant to my original post. The DoI says:
There are numerous reasons to believe that "all men are created equal" DID NOT MEAN what you think it means, nevertheless, because of the topic of this piece of the thread I will not focus on that. I will focus on the second part:
John Locke, the supposed inspiration of these words was all about private ownership of property. It was essential in his philosophy that a person could own their own land, that it was not subject in any way to the whims of a Sovereign. For if a person's property was subject to a Sovereign (other than the person themselves), then they themselves were ultimately also subject (in every sense of that word) to that external "Sovereign," which is to say, slaves.
The DoI could have said:
and been perfectly in line with Locke, but it did not. A persons property (not just land, but all property) was left out. Why? Well, because then the Constitution couldn't later lay claim to all property, or at least if it did the hypocrisy would be obvious. This lack of inclusion of property in the DoI and the explicit claims to all property by the Sovereign Government (which really means (legally speaking) the Sovereign people controlling the government) ensured that We The People would always be subject (slaves) to those people. You have a God Given Right (Natural Law) to Defend Your Property. The Constitution takes that Right away. YOU DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO DEFEND YOUR PROPERTY IF ANYONE IN THE GOVERNMENT WANTS IT. And legally speaking, they can take it on a whim. Indeed, that happens all the time.
The IRS, as an acting agent of the Treasury Department (technically a private subcontractor, but still an "acting agent") can, on suspicion of a "tax crime," take all of your property, with no court that will adjudicate in your favor. That system, as evil as it is, stems from the omission in the DoI and the explicit statements in the Constitution. That system was inevitable and is completely legal, indeed, it was there from the foundation.
So whatever the "opinions" of the "Founding Fathers" may have been, or whatever you believe them to be, it is irrelevant to what actually happened, or what could happen,, because of the Laws as written.
The fuckery is there, from day one. Defending it does exactly zero people any good, and a whole lot of harm. Until we stop defending it, we can never break free of it's evils.