Joel Osteen and Lil Nas
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Many quit attending church because the church is rife with grifters.
i stopped attending church when the priest talked about passing the basket again and again...... i dont need to constantly pay to follow the lord God...
Worshipping God requires a contrite heart, not an open wallet…
2 Corinthians 9:6: Remember this: Whoever sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and whoever sows generously will also reap generously.
"2 Corinthians 9:7: Each man should give what he has decided in his heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver."
that was not the point i was making..to pass the offering basket is one thing but passing it multiple times is another
I think you miss the point. There is no tithe, as in give 10 percent or you are a bad Christian. We left a church once for the same reason. I had crushed a few disk in my back, was in terrible pain but made it to church anyway, and two weeks in a row the whole service was about making a financial commitment to raising $500,000 for restoration of some stained glass windows. The constant bombardment with "i need money" is not Biblical and not doing the Lord's work.
I completely agree with 2 Corinthians 9:7, and I honestly believe it leads to more giving. Much like a cafe that automatically assigns a 15% tip as their requirement. That screws the wait staff and the customers. The wait staff puts out less effort because they know they are covered, the patrons are forced to tip that amount no matter how bad the service. My minimum tip is 15% and normally it's closer to 25% because I spent many years making a living thru waiting tables and managing the front side of the flagship Bennigans in the Dallas Galleria Mall, yes I realize this shows my age. But when they make it mandatory, that's all they get, period.
I would financially support our church much more if it would grow the balls to lose their tax free status and unchain themselves from the beast. When we give we do it because we're called to, we don't want a receipt so we can claim it against our taxes and we don't want our names mentioned when we give big chunks towards building projects and so forth. We shouldn't let our right hand know what our left hand is doing, and I'm pretty sure if it's announced, celebrated, and reported to the IRS for a "reward" then that is your reward...here on earth, and will not be recognized in heaven.
Only give cash.
Amen
He was very well known but I guess selling your soul to the dark lord for gains in this world.
He was a scumbag like most of the preachers on TV. My sister loves him. He doesn't take a salary from his church but makes his money from his books. However, a lot of money comes in as cash. Joyce Meyers's books once belonged to her ministry, but Joel showed her the way with books. Joyce has multiple mansions, in one area she has mansions surrounding hers for her children.
Didnt they have money stuffed in the church office wall.
Wow!
There are some good pastors on tv. I somehow just didn't like him along with Copeland.
I saw a reporter confront Copeland about how he owns multiple airplanes, and came across as demon-possessed to me.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/plumber-finds-cash-checks-loose-toilet-wall-joel-osteens-lakewood-chur-rcna7512