What about that makes you think it's because of a god? I don't see why existence itself isn't considered divine. Let me ask you something: If somehow there is very strong evidence found that there never was a beginning to existence would you stop believing in a creator? Infinite existence is...infinitely greater than a creator who made it all just the other day.
But existence is infinite, that is the only way God could exist within it. God is infinite, so He can only create infinity. Infinite size, scale, diversity, life, love, holiness.
What we call de-finite or in-finite is actually: timelessness. In Paleo-Hebrew the idea of "from eternity to eternity" is actually: from hazy Horizon to hazy horizon. There you stand, looking around, and all you see around you is the vastness of space.
Yet .... when confronting such vastness, it is the size of time we see. The key to comprehension here is timelessness.
in the article, the harmonics of the circular movement of those planets around that star, are called: orderly, as opposed to our own solar system where it is called chaotic. Typical, science is about matter, and therefor time is of the essence.
And this key, time, has always, since it's inception, been in the bible: '"I am" has sent me to you', Moses said to Pharaoh. Ponder it: "I am" = Present = Now. So, instead of the vastness of time, "I am" focuses our attention on now, the smallest fraction of time. And through that smallest fraction we can perceive our existence not as separated from what is, but an integral [wholeness] part of it,as an expression of the same source.
Such a notion of now, is also present in the Lords prayer: give us our daily bread. Paul writes: 'As long as it can be called: "present", we can enter Gods rest'.
I am not sure if the writer attributed as Paul was being facetious on purpose or not, but it is funny.
The essence is taught with the following words: love, peace, happiness. the other items in Paul's list of the fruit of the spirit/ essence/ boils down to, are merely behaviors.
From a higher abstraction, what Jesus taught and is contained within Christianity, is a crotch to lean on, while being an acolyte going through an introduction. Then a deeper cognition has to ensue.
As is written in Oera Linda Bok: 3-fold thanks is offered to the ultimate source, in this book called: Wralda [UR ALTE = old one [of days]]:
for what has been enjoyed
for what is being enjoyed
for the hope left in dark times.
This then leads to: independence, sovereignty, meaning, the choice out of a free will, is no longer dependent on the shaping of reality by the external plane, but is purely and unadulterated flowing from the inside.
The question OP: random chance or divine design, flows from the ego-ist-ic[h] [=ego = me is me, separate from all else] idea of a difference, and thus form the perception of time.
Your comprehension, or rather, your image [fractional copy; hash] of the finition of God, i.e. looking at a vastness of space and thus time, forces you to post this. It has been induced by the dependence on the external plane. Had you viewed it from the position of timelessness, your post would have been different.
It's funny to downvote something like that. It's like "Uuurrnnhhh, I can't answer that like a thinking person so I'm going to do the weakest, most pathetic form of lashing out at the big meanie head I can think of!"
What about that makes you think it's because of a god? I don't see why existence itself isn't considered divine. Let me ask you something: If somehow there is very strong evidence found that there never was a beginning to existence would you stop believing in a creator? Infinite existence is...infinitely greater than a creator who made it all just the other day.
But existence is infinite, that is the only way God could exist within it. God is infinite, so He can only create infinity. Infinite size, scale, diversity, life, love, holiness.
Nautica posed an interesting question, is it not?
What we call de-finite or in-finite is actually: timelessness. In Paleo-Hebrew the idea of "from eternity to eternity" is actually: from hazy Horizon to hazy horizon. There you stand, looking around, and all you see around you is the vastness of space.
Yet .... when confronting such vastness, it is the size of time we see. The key to comprehension here is timelessness.
in the article, the harmonics of the circular movement of those planets around that star, are called: orderly, as opposed to our own solar system where it is called chaotic. Typical, science is about matter, and therefor time is of the essence.
And this key, time, has always, since it's inception, been in the bible: '"I am" has sent me to you', Moses said to Pharaoh. Ponder it: "I am" = Present = Now. So, instead of the vastness of time, "I am" focuses our attention on now, the smallest fraction of time. And through that smallest fraction we can perceive our existence not as separated from what is, but an integral [wholeness] part of it,as an expression of the same source.
Such a notion of now, is also present in the Lords prayer: give us our daily bread. Paul writes: 'As long as it can be called: "present", we can enter Gods rest'.
I am not sure if the writer attributed as Paul was being facetious on purpose or not, but it is funny.
The essence is taught with the following words: love, peace, happiness. the other items in Paul's list of the fruit of the spirit/ essence/ boils down to, are merely behaviors.
From a higher abstraction, what Jesus taught and is contained within Christianity, is a crotch to lean on, while being an acolyte going through an introduction. Then a deeper cognition has to ensue.
As is written in Oera Linda Bok: 3-fold thanks is offered to the ultimate source, in this book called: Wralda [UR ALTE = old one [of days]]:
This then leads to: independence, sovereignty, meaning, the choice out of a free will, is no longer dependent on the shaping of reality by the external plane, but is purely and unadulterated flowing from the inside.
The question OP: random chance or divine design, flows from the ego-ist-ic[h] [=ego = me is me, separate from all else] idea of a difference, and thus form the perception of time.
Your comprehension, or rather, your image [fractional copy; hash] of the finition of God, i.e. looking at a vastness of space and thus time, forces you to post this. It has been induced by the dependence on the external plane. Had you viewed it from the position of timelessness, your post would have been different.
Nevertheless, thank you for this post.
But your book says he created the world so it does have a finite past. I am suggesting there was no creation event meaning the past is infinite.
Fun thought experiment:
If I promise to give you a $100 after an infinite amount of time has passed, would you ever get the $100?
If an infinite amount of time has passed in order for us to get to this point, how are we at this point?
This implies it is not possible for an infinite amount of time to have passed, thus the universe had a beginning.
Philosophy rather than theology, but I find it fascinating.
You forgot something, since time and space exists only in your mind, there is no infinite time.
If an infinite duration of time has already passed I would get it now. Want my P.O. box number?
It's funny to downvote something like that. It's like "Uuurrnnhhh, I can't answer that like a thinking person so I'm going to do the weakest, most pathetic form of lashing out at the big meanie head I can think of!"