to me, this whole argument is a false dichotomy. it's like saying God doesn't exist because gravity exists......or that because God exists, gravity can't exist. what? we can observe the effects of evolution.
that doesn't mean our current understanding of evolution can explain humanity. the official story of man is incomplete. but we can observe the effect in other species, and the incompleteness in our understanding of humanity has been used to force a divide in the people.
I'm even doubtful of microevolution its near impossible(at least for now) to delineate between adaptations that are already in the genome and random recombination
Well if you're going to ask a question it's best not to go ahead and assume the answer.
The entire scientific process relies on the Christian worldview and the presuppositions therein.
The concept of microevolution, which refers to small changes within a species over time (such as variation in traits like size, color, or resistance to disease), can be aligned with biblical teachings when we consider several aspects of Scripture that acknowledge variation within kinds of creatures.
The Created Kinds
In Genesis 1, the Bible speaks of God creating various "kinds" of animals and plants. Genesis 1:24-25 says:
"And God said, 'Let the earth bring forth living creatures after their kind: cattle, creeping things, and beasts of the earth after their kind.' And it was so. God made the beasts of the earth according to their kinds, the livestock according to their kinds, and everything that creeps on the ground according to its kind. And God saw that it was good."
The use of the word "kind" (Hebrew: min) suggests that God created a variety of organisms with the potential for adaptation and variation within those kinds. This idea of "kinds" allows for the possibility of variation and adaptation within a species or group, which is what microevolution describes. The Bible does not indicate that each "kind" must remain static in its exact form but rather allows for change within the boundaries of the kind.
Adaptation to Environment
The Bible acknowledges that creation is subject to change and that animals and plants must survive in a fallen world (after the curse of Genesis 3). Romans 8:22 says:
"For we know that the whole creation groans and suffers the pains of childbirth together until now."
This passage suggests that the natural world is in a state of flux, with organisms adapting to survive in a world affected by sin, decay, and death. The ability of animals and plants to adapt to environmental changes, such as developing resistance to diseases or varying in color or size, can be seen as a manifestation of microevolution.
Jacob’s Flocks and Selective Breeding
Genesis 30:37-43 provides an interesting example of selective breeding, which is a form of human-guided microevolution. Jacob used a strategy of selective breeding to increase the number of speckled and spotted sheep and goats in his flock. This example shows that selective pressure can lead to specific traits becoming more dominant over time:
"Then Jacob took fresh rods of poplar and almond and plane trees and peeled white streaks in them, exposing the white of the rods. He set the rods which he had peeled in front of the flocks in the gutters, in the watering troughs where the flocks came to drink, so that they would mate when they came to drink... Thus the man increased greatly and had large flocks..."
While this may not directly equate to microevolution in the modern scientific sense, it demonstrates the principle that creatures can be guided or influenced to change and adapt in ways that suit the environment or human needs. Over time, these small variations accumulate, which is essentially the process of microevolution.
Natural Selection and Survival
Proverbs 6:6-8 speaks of the ant's ability to store food in preparation for the future:
"Go to the ant, O sluggard; observe her ways and be wise, which, having no chief, officer, or ruler, prepares her food in the summer and gathers her provision in the harvest."
The capacity for animals to plan, adapt, and survive in different conditions is consistent with the observable natural processes of adaptation and microevolution, where certain traits or behaviors become more favorable for survival.
Post-Flood Adaptation
After the Flood, Noah released animals into a drastically changed environment. Genesis 8:17 says:
"Bring out with you every living thing that is with you of all flesh—birds and animals and every creeping thing that creeps on the earth—that they may breed abundantly on the earth, and be fruitful and multiply on the earth."
The Bible suggests that animals repopulated the earth and spread across diverse habitats. As they did so, it's reasonable to assume that microevolutionary changes (small adaptations) allowed them to thrive in new and varied environments. The process of animals adapting to different climates and ecosystems would involve the kind of small-scale variations and changes that are described by microevolution.
Summary
Scripture supports the possibility of microevolution, or small-scale changes within kinds, through its acknowledgment of variation within created kinds, adaptation to environments, selective breeding, and the survival mechanisms that creatures use to thrive. The biblical idea of "kinds" does not preclude change but rather allows for adaptation within God-ordained limits. Microevolution, as an observable process, does not conflict with a biblical worldview but can be understood as part of God's design for creation to adapt and survive in a dynamic world.
Do you have any other questions you'd like to assume the answer to or did I cover that for you?
AI seems to have covered it quite well for you. But you're still forcing an interpretation of scripture.
Small changes add up over time, leading to larger changes. This is no different than any other worldly process that God frequently works through.
Satan was an angel! is that change "within the boundaries of the kind"?
your reasoning is ultimately based on culture and politics, which dictates that one can believe in either science or politics. your AI has not provided any logical reason to assume that evolution cannot lead to major changes in a species.
based on observing compounding changes, we know that it can.
God made tiny molecular high speed reversible electric motors just to propel bacteria, and other cells. That’s an entirely incomprehensible attention to detail, and the motors are in three independent parts that work together, but any one part wouldn’t have any “evolutionary purpose” without the other two interlocking elements of the assembly. It looks exactly like an electric motor on our scale, but it’s made of molecules. Not an accident. And that’s just for a bacterium. What a marvelous creation we’re inhabiting. Truly humbling.
to me, this whole argument is a false dichotomy. it's like saying God doesn't exist because gravity exists......or that because God exists, gravity can't exist. what? we can observe the effects of evolution.
that doesn't mean our current understanding of evolution can explain humanity. the official story of man is incomplete. but we can observe the effect in other species, and the incompleteness in our understanding of humanity has been used to force a divide in the people.
The only type of evolution we have ever seen or proved scientifically is microevolution.
Everything else is just theories of macroevolution without proof.
Guess which type is compatible with creationism and the biblical account in Scripture and which one isn't?
I'm even doubtful of microevolution its near impossible(at least for now) to delineate between adaptations that are already in the genome and random recombination
does Scripture also talk about microevolution?
or does it say that there is more of the story yet to be told?
it is a false dichotomy. God is compatible with many scientific principles.
Well if you're going to ask a question it's best not to go ahead and assume the answer.
The entire scientific process relies on the Christian worldview and the presuppositions therein.
The concept of microevolution, which refers to small changes within a species over time (such as variation in traits like size, color, or resistance to disease), can be aligned with biblical teachings when we consider several aspects of Scripture that acknowledge variation within kinds of creatures.
In Genesis 1, the Bible speaks of God creating various "kinds" of animals and plants. Genesis 1:24-25 says:
The use of the word "kind" (Hebrew: min) suggests that God created a variety of organisms with the potential for adaptation and variation within those kinds. This idea of "kinds" allows for the possibility of variation and adaptation within a species or group, which is what microevolution describes. The Bible does not indicate that each "kind" must remain static in its exact form but rather allows for change within the boundaries of the kind.
The Bible acknowledges that creation is subject to change and that animals and plants must survive in a fallen world (after the curse of Genesis 3). Romans 8:22 says:
This passage suggests that the natural world is in a state of flux, with organisms adapting to survive in a world affected by sin, decay, and death. The ability of animals and plants to adapt to environmental changes, such as developing resistance to diseases or varying in color or size, can be seen as a manifestation of microevolution.
Genesis 30:37-43 provides an interesting example of selective breeding, which is a form of human-guided microevolution. Jacob used a strategy of selective breeding to increase the number of speckled and spotted sheep and goats in his flock. This example shows that selective pressure can lead to specific traits becoming more dominant over time:
While this may not directly equate to microevolution in the modern scientific sense, it demonstrates the principle that creatures can be guided or influenced to change and adapt in ways that suit the environment or human needs. Over time, these small variations accumulate, which is essentially the process of microevolution.
Proverbs 6:6-8 speaks of the ant's ability to store food in preparation for the future:
The capacity for animals to plan, adapt, and survive in different conditions is consistent with the observable natural processes of adaptation and microevolution, where certain traits or behaviors become more favorable for survival.
After the Flood, Noah released animals into a drastically changed environment. Genesis 8:17 says:
The Bible suggests that animals repopulated the earth and spread across diverse habitats. As they did so, it's reasonable to assume that microevolutionary changes (small adaptations) allowed them to thrive in new and varied environments. The process of animals adapting to different climates and ecosystems would involve the kind of small-scale variations and changes that are described by microevolution.
Summary
Scripture supports the possibility of microevolution, or small-scale changes within kinds, through its acknowledgment of variation within created kinds, adaptation to environments, selective breeding, and the survival mechanisms that creatures use to thrive. The biblical idea of "kinds" does not preclude change but rather allows for adaptation within God-ordained limits. Microevolution, as an observable process, does not conflict with a biblical worldview but can be understood as part of God's design for creation to adapt and survive in a dynamic world.
Do you have any other questions you'd like to assume the answer to or did I cover that for you?
AI seems to have covered it quite well for you. But you're still forcing an interpretation of scripture.
Small changes add up over time, leading to larger changes. This is no different than any other worldly process that God frequently works through.
Satan was an angel! is that change "within the boundaries of the kind"?
your reasoning is ultimately based on culture and politics, which dictates that one can believe in either science or politics. your AI has not provided any logical reason to assume that evolution cannot lead to major changes in a species.
based on observing compounding changes, we know that it can.
stop feeding the psyop.
God made tiny molecular high speed reversible electric motors just to propel bacteria, and other cells. That’s an entirely incomprehensible attention to detail, and the motors are in three independent parts that work together, but any one part wouldn’t have any “evolutionary purpose” without the other two interlocking elements of the assembly. It looks exactly like an electric motor on our scale, but it’s made of molecules. Not an accident. And that’s just for a bacterium. What a marvelous creation we’re inhabiting. Truly humbling.
Typical surface dweller that never dives deeper than natural selection to see how big of a lie evolution is. Are you vaccinated too?
you're barking up the wrong tree lol