well, we are discussing the issues. I think I also pointed out some points that you brought up as being lacking.
one thing I strongly disagree with, but falls in line with you thinking is, we ARE all born equal, just we are not all born into equal circumstances. men can create a better life for themselves, which is where people rise above others.
while I certainly do not espouse marxist ideals, I definitely do not wish to be dragged back into a feudal system that western society has been fighting to get away from for the last couple of centuries.
hopefully you are correct and people will discuss the ideas and come to a conclusion that will help ensure liberty for the people.
we ARE all born equal, just we are not all born into equal circumstances. men can create a better life for themselves, which is where people rise above others.
Then I'm sorry to say you either ended up being brainwashed by leftist ideals without even knowing, or need to reflect upon this way more than you have.
That's exactly what they claim, that criminals and overall scum are nothing but victims of society, and have no blame whatsoever because it's all about the environment/circumstances and not themselves.
Isn't that pretty much what you're saying?
If that was true you would absolutely never see cases where you see an individual born in total destitution and then rise above it all, or where an individual was born with everything, and turned out to be rotten.
Again, it says "created equal under God", not born equal, it's a huge difference, we are created of spirit but born in the flesh.
It's always a balance between nature and nurture, is nurture a factor? of course, but nowhere near as potent as nature, genetics still dictates much of what we are, that's just a fact of life.
That's exactly what they claim, that criminals and overall scum are nothing but victims of society, and have no blame whatsoever because it's all about the environment/circumstances and not themselves.
I never said that.
If that was true you would absolutely never see cases where you see an individual born in total destitution and then rise above it all, or where an individual was born with everything, and turned out to be rotten.
I made something that's called a correlation... here's what you said
we ARE all born equal, just we are not all born into equal circumstances. men can create a better life for themselves, which is where people rise above others.
You did say that right?
And then I correlated what you said with what leftists believe.. it's very basic stuff no?
Saying that we are all born equal and the only single solitary factor that differentiates each other are circumstances is very much similar as saying criminals are only criminals because of society, and the circumstances imposed upon them because of said society, which is 100% false
and then I made something called an example... I'll make another one...
If your ( and the leftists) assertion was true, then every person brought up in a slum would be a hardened criminal, they all have the same environment, and mostly the same circumstances.
Yet such is not the case. why? what changes? nature changes, not all of them have the same genetics, some are slightly or greatly superior.
If you can't make the correlation with what you said and those leftist ideals, then I don't know what to tell you any more, so I'll just refrain from engaging this any further.
please do refrain, because it sounds like you are trying to act more educated than you are, by putting words in other peoples mouths. your correlation is off, and I believe you are totally wrong. with that, I will also refrain from engaging with you in the future.
How are we all born equal? Clearly, there is a vast difference between people. That doesn't mean some have less value as human beings. The laws of protection still apply to them. But would you just go pick any random woman off the street to be your wife? I mean, if we're all equal, what difference does it make? I believe God loves each of us, but even He seems to have favorites. Doesn't mean He doesn't love each and every one of us - Jesus' sacrifice proves that. But we are clearly different in our abilities, our talents, even our morals.
well, we are discussing the issues. I think I also pointed out some points that you brought up as being lacking.
one thing I strongly disagree with, but falls in line with you thinking is, we ARE all born equal, just we are not all born into equal circumstances. men can create a better life for themselves, which is where people rise above others.
while I certainly do not espouse marxist ideals, I definitely do not wish to be dragged back into a feudal system that western society has been fighting to get away from for the last couple of centuries.
hopefully you are correct and people will discuss the ideas and come to a conclusion that will help ensure liberty for the people.
Then I'm sorry to say you either ended up being brainwashed by leftist ideals without even knowing, or need to reflect upon this way more than you have.
That's exactly what they claim, that criminals and overall scum are nothing but victims of society, and have no blame whatsoever because it's all about the environment/circumstances and not themselves.
Isn't that pretty much what you're saying?
If that was true you would absolutely never see cases where you see an individual born in total destitution and then rise above it all, or where an individual was born with everything, and turned out to be rotten.
Again, it says "created equal under God", not born equal, it's a huge difference, we are created of spirit but born in the flesh.
It's always a balance between nature and nurture, is nurture a factor? of course, but nowhere near as potent as nature, genetics still dictates much of what we are, that's just a fact of life.
you have to be kidding me...
are you even reading what I comment here?
I never said that.
i never said that.
stop attributing leftist ideals to what I say.
... I know you didn't say it friend, I said it
I made something that's called a correlation... here's what you said
You did say that right?
And then I correlated what you said with what leftists believe.. it's very basic stuff no?
Saying that we are all born equal and the only single solitary factor that differentiates each other are circumstances is very much similar as saying criminals are only criminals because of society, and the circumstances imposed upon them because of said society, which is 100% false
and then I made something called an example... I'll make another one...
If your ( and the leftists) assertion was true, then every person brought up in a slum would be a hardened criminal, they all have the same environment, and mostly the same circumstances.
Yet such is not the case. why? what changes? nature changes, not all of them have the same genetics, some are slightly or greatly superior.
If you can't make the correlation with what you said and those leftist ideals, then I don't know what to tell you any more, so I'll just refrain from engaging this any further.
please do refrain, because it sounds like you are trying to act more educated than you are, by putting words in other peoples mouths. your correlation is off, and I believe you are totally wrong. with that, I will also refrain from engaging with you in the future.
How are we all born equal? Clearly, there is a vast difference between people. That doesn't mean some have less value as human beings. The laws of protection still apply to them. But would you just go pick any random woman off the street to be your wife? I mean, if we're all equal, what difference does it make? I believe God loves each of us, but even He seems to have favorites. Doesn't mean He doesn't love each and every one of us - Jesus' sacrifice proves that. But we are clearly different in our abilities, our talents, even our morals.