You sure seem to focus a lot on wealth for someone who explicitly "doesn't love it"
I don't see how any of those versus disqualifies the verse in Matthew. You just keep bringing up other rich ppl in the Bible. Compare yourself to Jesus only.
I've known rich men that were given so much that they couldn't give it away fast enough. Ive known millionaires that live in their first home still and drive used cars.
Dont sit there and pretend that you don't know better. It's elitist or at least is comes off as elitist.
The last will be first and the first will be last. How you treat the least of these.....
I don't care that I'm poor. I care that you dismiss me bc of my perceived lack of success or wealth. My lack of ability to influence you other than an awe shucks kinda blessing. You know the one you get when you help a poor person and they say something kinda of wise after. That's all poor ppl are good for it seems, fortune cookie wisdom.
That and you can hire them for less (ethically and fairly) than they're worth and put them in your rental property where you can overcharge them but then you tithe 10% so now your just and righteous too!
Ah yes .... the eye of a needle
You're dismissive bc of my poverty and full of pride.
I'm poor - nothing more.
I'm the one teaching you.
You're not teaching me nothing .... let's get that clear
You think you can "mop" me up. Like dude. I'm a poor single dad. You're vastly wealthier, taller, better looking, works out, hot wife, kids that listen, a paid house, blah blah blah
Yet you have no wisdom to offer me?
No blessing?
Do you ever consider generational curses as a reason for someone's poverty? Or do you just blanket piss on poor people bc theyre obviously immoral or they'd be rich?
You're just defending the position of wealth and using wealth itself as justification for your wisdom.
You sure seem to focus a lot on wealth for someone who explicitly "doesn't love it"
It's literally what the conversations about. Should I be talking about the price of tea in China? That would be nonsensical. Now you're just being intellectually dishonest.
I'm standing on God's word. You're standing on covetness, envy, and bitterness.
You're avoiding conversations by not discussing your wealth.
Do you have employees?
Do you have assets under management?
Do you own rental property?
Do you have passive revenue?
These are all inherently evil practices.
Hiding behind corpserations doesn't negate what you are doing. Any interest whether for or against you is evil.
Just go through those 4 questions and answer no and I'll be on my way.
But you can't. Bc you're greedy and obfuscating virtue through success.
You exploit your workers. I guarantee it
Your assets are managed by an agent of usury. You exploit your renters. (Investing in residential real estate for rental income makes you repulsive by default). Passive income is inherently repulsive to society. It affirms that you deserve income for no labour or services rendered. (Risk is neither labor nor a service)
We need to address the claims biblically and systematically, using Scripture to clarify how these things should be understood in light of God’s law and His design for human flourishing.
Wealth is not inherently evil:
The Bible does not condemn wealth in and of itself but instead condemns the misuse of wealth, greed, and the love of money. Wealth can be a blessing from God and a tool to serve His purposes, provided it is acquired justly and used in accordance with His commandments.
Abraham, Job, and Solomon were all wealthy individuals blessed by God. In Genesis 13:2, Abraham is described as "very rich in livestock, in silver, and in gold," and God made a covenant with him, demonstrating that his wealth was not inherently sinful.
1 Timothy 6:10 clarifies the issue: "For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil." It is not money itself, but the love of money, or greed, that leads to evil.
Owning property and having employees is not sinful:
Scripture recognizes the legitimacy of property ownership and hiring workers. What matters is how property and employees are treated under biblical principles.
The Eighth Commandment, "You shall not steal" (Exodus 20:15), affirms the right to own property. Property rights exist under God's law, and theft is condemned as a sin. Private ownership is not evil when it is stewarded responsibly.
Hiring workers is also permissible. In Matthew 20:1-16, Jesus tells the Parable of the Workers in the Vineyard, which assumes the employer-employee relationship is legitimate. The key is fair treatment, as echoed in James 5:4, which condemns those who exploit workers by withholding their wages.
Passive income and investments are not condemned:
The Bible encourages wise stewardship and responsible management of resources. Passive income, such as rental properties or investments, can be part of faithful stewardship if done ethically.
In the Parable of the Talents (Matthew 25:14-30), the master praises the servants who invest wisely and multiply their resources. Jesus Himself uses this parable to illustrate faithful stewardship of God’s gifts, indicating that generating income through wise investment is not inherently evil.
Proverbs 21:5 says, "The plans of the diligent lead to profit as surely as haste leads to poverty." Planning and wise financial management are seen as virtues in Scripture.
Interest (usury) is not inherently evil:
The Bible differentiates between charging exploitative interest and lending money justly. Usury—excessive interest—is condemned, especially when it exploits the poor. However, lending at reasonable interest is permissible.
Exodus 22:25 forbids charging interest to the poor, particularly among fellow Israelites. The intent here is to protect the vulnerable from exploitation.
However, in Jesus' Parable of the Talents (Matthew 25:27), the master rebukes the servant for not putting the money on deposit with bankers to earn interest, implying that in certain contexts, earning reasonable interest is acceptable.
Corporations and business structures are not inherently evil:
The idea of using business structures such as corporations is not inherently evil. What matters is whether these structures are used to uphold biblical justice and fairness.
Colossians 3:23-24 says, "Whatever you do, work at it with all your heart, as working for the Lord, not for human masters." This principle applies to business owners, employees, and anyone involved in economic activity. The key issue is whether the work glorifies God and is done ethically.
Conclusion:
The argument that wealth, owning property, or employing people is inherently evil is not supported by Scripture. Rather, the Bible teaches that all these things can be used for good or evil, depending on how they are stewarded and whether they align with God's commands. The biblical worldview calls for responsible management, fair treatment of workers, ethical business practices, and using wealth for the glory of God and the benefit of others. Wealth and resources, when rightly stewarded, can be a means of advancing God's kingdom and helping those in need.
You absolutely need me to be some sort of evil boogeyman in order to be right and you keep making assumptions and personal attacks about my character and nature when I've given you absolutely zero details.
Well guess what.... You've gotten virtually everything wrong.
The problem is you can't do residential property ethically. You just can't. It's too susceptible to corruption and has been since the dawn of man. You do not get to charge ppl to live. That's what residential landlord bros do. Same with drop shipping businesses. Same with franchises. It's all catastrophically intertwined. Mortgages on properties. Properties paid over n over. Making money from usury.
Corporation comes from corpses.
Mortgage means death pledge.
No where is the distinction made between usury and excessive usury. Interest on any economic scale across enough time will inevitably destroy markets. It's never permitted. Ever. Not in any case. You don't get money for loaning money. Full stop.
The decree to not charge interest to the poor. Assuming this is true leaves out one crucial bit of info. Everyone not in the 10% is poor. None of them should be paying interest. Zero. If interest is something that is permitted, then it's a circle jerk between the top 10% and arguably the top 1%.
I have no problem with wealth. But I have a huge problem with exploiting landlords bros and franchise operators and business men generally speaking. I don't doubt that it's biblical to be wealthy but this emphasis that your riches somehow makes you a greater person and by default a better Christian than other people is where the hubris lies and bc pastors love pandering to rich folks that diligently tithe they are fed hubris with a side of biblical justification and given just enough morality to send them straight to hell.
Get out if residential real estate. For your own soul. Every single one of your employees should be the highest paid employee in their respective field. You should give raises bc you can't spend your money fast enough.
Your money doesn't belong in a bank. Your money doesn't belong in appreciating assets. It just doesn't. Every single penny I'm given goes to rent. Every dime my friend. And half of that goes to a banker. And all my taxes pay the federal reserve interest on debt. Like..... youre just another bill. You're not a Christian. You're just another boss. The light of Christ lives in you? You’re no different than every other douche fuck boss I've had. Are you?
You're using the Bible to justify why you're rich? Or that it's okay to be rich?
Your wealth disappears with the economy and a new economy will emerge. Out from under it and then we can see if it's true wealth or pseudo wealth.
Family is wealth.
I envy habits. I envy the daily things ppl do that make them successful. I don't envy your stuff. I aim for riches through habits. But it's not so I can buy a property so I can charge rent and buy a franchise so I can see just how much I can maximize profits at the expense of the ppl that do the work. It's like .... is that your secret to success? exploitation ?
Thank you for winning the argument about why it's OK to be a wealthy Christian but I hope you got kicked in the nuts a little about how not entrepreneurial you are. You're just using the same shitty tactics as the many douche bag landlord bros before you.
Notice your inability to describe virtues in your secret to success. No habits. No blessings to give. No stoic wisdom. Nothing but justification.....
Be blessed - but you don't need my blessing do you? .... youre clearly blessed more than i
You sure seem to focus a lot on wealth for someone who explicitly "doesn't love it"
I don't see how any of those versus disqualifies the verse in Matthew. You just keep bringing up other rich ppl in the Bible. Compare yourself to Jesus only.
I've known rich men that were given so much that they couldn't give it away fast enough. Ive known millionaires that live in their first home still and drive used cars.
Dont sit there and pretend that you don't know better. It's elitist or at least is comes off as elitist.
The last will be first and the first will be last. How you treat the least of these.....
I don't care that I'm poor. I care that you dismiss me bc of my perceived lack of success or wealth. My lack of ability to influence you other than an awe shucks kinda blessing. You know the one you get when you help a poor person and they say something kinda of wise after. That's all poor ppl are good for it seems, fortune cookie wisdom.
That and you can hire them for less (ethically and fairly) than they're worth and put them in your rental property where you can overcharge them but then you tithe 10% so now your just and righteous too!
Ah yes .... the eye of a needle
You're dismissive bc of my poverty and full of pride.
I'm poor - nothing more. I'm the one teaching you. You're not teaching me nothing .... let's get that clear
You think you can "mop" me up. Like dude. I'm a poor single dad. You're vastly wealthier, taller, better looking, works out, hot wife, kids that listen, a paid house, blah blah blah
Yet you have no wisdom to offer me? No blessing? Do you ever consider generational curses as a reason for someone's poverty? Or do you just blanket piss on poor people bc theyre obviously immoral or they'd be rich?
You're just defending the position of wealth and using wealth itself as justification for your wisdom.
That's fucking sad.
It's literally what the conversations about. Should I be talking about the price of tea in China? That would be nonsensical. Now you're just being intellectually dishonest.
I'm standing on God's word. You're standing on covetness, envy, and bitterness.
Have fun with that.
I'm really not.
You're avoiding conversations by not discussing your wealth.
Do you have employees? Do you have assets under management? Do you own rental property? Do you have passive revenue?
These are all inherently evil practices. Hiding behind corpserations doesn't negate what you are doing. Any interest whether for or against you is evil.
Just go through those 4 questions and answer no and I'll be on my way.
But you can't. Bc you're greedy and obfuscating virtue through success.
You exploit your workers. I guarantee it Your assets are managed by an agent of usury. You exploit your renters. (Investing in residential real estate for rental income makes you repulsive by default). Passive income is inherently repulsive to society. It affirms that you deserve income for no labour or services rendered. (Risk is neither labor nor a service)
We need to address the claims biblically and systematically, using Scripture to clarify how these things should be understood in light of God’s law and His design for human flourishing.
The Bible does not condemn wealth in and of itself but instead condemns the misuse of wealth, greed, and the love of money. Wealth can be a blessing from God and a tool to serve His purposes, provided it is acquired justly and used in accordance with His commandments.
Abraham, Job, and Solomon were all wealthy individuals blessed by God. In Genesis 13:2, Abraham is described as "very rich in livestock, in silver, and in gold," and God made a covenant with him, demonstrating that his wealth was not inherently sinful.
1 Timothy 6:10 clarifies the issue: "For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil." It is not money itself, but the love of money, or greed, that leads to evil.
Scripture recognizes the legitimacy of property ownership and hiring workers. What matters is how property and employees are treated under biblical principles.
The Eighth Commandment, "You shall not steal" (Exodus 20:15), affirms the right to own property. Property rights exist under God's law, and theft is condemned as a sin. Private ownership is not evil when it is stewarded responsibly.
Hiring workers is also permissible. In Matthew 20:1-16, Jesus tells the Parable of the Workers in the Vineyard, which assumes the employer-employee relationship is legitimate. The key is fair treatment, as echoed in James 5:4, which condemns those who exploit workers by withholding their wages.
The Bible encourages wise stewardship and responsible management of resources. Passive income, such as rental properties or investments, can be part of faithful stewardship if done ethically.
In the Parable of the Talents (Matthew 25:14-30), the master praises the servants who invest wisely and multiply their resources. Jesus Himself uses this parable to illustrate faithful stewardship of God’s gifts, indicating that generating income through wise investment is not inherently evil.
Proverbs 21:5 says, "The plans of the diligent lead to profit as surely as haste leads to poverty." Planning and wise financial management are seen as virtues in Scripture.
The Bible differentiates between charging exploitative interest and lending money justly. Usury—excessive interest—is condemned, especially when it exploits the poor. However, lending at reasonable interest is permissible.
Exodus 22:25 forbids charging interest to the poor, particularly among fellow Israelites. The intent here is to protect the vulnerable from exploitation.
However, in Jesus' Parable of the Talents (Matthew 25:27), the master rebukes the servant for not putting the money on deposit with bankers to earn interest, implying that in certain contexts, earning reasonable interest is acceptable.
The idea of using business structures such as corporations is not inherently evil. What matters is whether these structures are used to uphold biblical justice and fairness.
Colossians 3:23-24 says, "Whatever you do, work at it with all your heart, as working for the Lord, not for human masters." This principle applies to business owners, employees, and anyone involved in economic activity. The key issue is whether the work glorifies God and is done ethically.
Conclusion:
The argument that wealth, owning property, or employing people is inherently evil is not supported by Scripture. Rather, the Bible teaches that all these things can be used for good or evil, depending on how they are stewarded and whether they align with God's commands. The biblical worldview calls for responsible management, fair treatment of workers, ethical business practices, and using wealth for the glory of God and the benefit of others. Wealth and resources, when rightly stewarded, can be a means of advancing God's kingdom and helping those in need.
You absolutely need me to be some sort of evil boogeyman in order to be right and you keep making assumptions and personal attacks about my character and nature when I've given you absolutely zero details.
Well guess what.... You've gotten virtually everything wrong.
Bitter bitter bitter bitter.
The problem is you can't do residential property ethically. You just can't. It's too susceptible to corruption and has been since the dawn of man. You do not get to charge ppl to live. That's what residential landlord bros do. Same with drop shipping businesses. Same with franchises. It's all catastrophically intertwined. Mortgages on properties. Properties paid over n over. Making money from usury.
Corporation comes from corpses. Mortgage means death pledge.
No where is the distinction made between usury and excessive usury. Interest on any economic scale across enough time will inevitably destroy markets. It's never permitted. Ever. Not in any case. You don't get money for loaning money. Full stop.
The decree to not charge interest to the poor. Assuming this is true leaves out one crucial bit of info. Everyone not in the 10% is poor. None of them should be paying interest. Zero. If interest is something that is permitted, then it's a circle jerk between the top 10% and arguably the top 1%.
I have no problem with wealth. But I have a huge problem with exploiting landlords bros and franchise operators and business men generally speaking. I don't doubt that it's biblical to be wealthy but this emphasis that your riches somehow makes you a greater person and by default a better Christian than other people is where the hubris lies and bc pastors love pandering to rich folks that diligently tithe they are fed hubris with a side of biblical justification and given just enough morality to send them straight to hell.
Get out if residential real estate. For your own soul. Every single one of your employees should be the highest paid employee in their respective field. You should give raises bc you can't spend your money fast enough.
Your money doesn't belong in a bank. Your money doesn't belong in appreciating assets. It just doesn't. Every single penny I'm given goes to rent. Every dime my friend. And half of that goes to a banker. And all my taxes pay the federal reserve interest on debt. Like..... youre just another bill. You're not a Christian. You're just another boss. The light of Christ lives in you? You’re no different than every other douche fuck boss I've had. Are you?
You're using the Bible to justify why you're rich? Or that it's okay to be rich?
Your wealth disappears with the economy and a new economy will emerge. Out from under it and then we can see if it's true wealth or pseudo wealth.
Family is wealth.
I envy habits. I envy the daily things ppl do that make them successful. I don't envy your stuff. I aim for riches through habits. But it's not so I can buy a property so I can charge rent and buy a franchise so I can see just how much I can maximize profits at the expense of the ppl that do the work. It's like .... is that your secret to success? exploitation ?
Thank you for winning the argument about why it's OK to be a wealthy Christian but I hope you got kicked in the nuts a little about how not entrepreneurial you are. You're just using the same shitty tactics as the many douche bag landlord bros before you.
Notice your inability to describe virtues in your secret to success. No habits. No blessings to give. No stoic wisdom. Nothing but justification.....
Be blessed - but you don't need my blessing do you? .... youre clearly blessed more than i