I'm sad to see the conflict either way, but God gave them that land, he said so in Ezekiel 36.
What happened in 1948 is fulfillment of Biblical prophecy. Just like Cyrus the Great was prophesied by Isaiah 44,45, as he spoke what God told him to speak.
Isaiah 44,45 was written during Isaiah's life time. Cyrus the great lived 200 or so years later.
We are living through Biblical prophecy.
Israel belongs to the Jewish people; The arabs around them for the entirety of my life and pledged repeatedly to destroy the Jews, and they fail ever time.
They failed in 1948, dozens of times over the years, and they fail again and again.
God chose them; no matter how people feel about it; we have to put what God has said first.
I will read the rest of the chapter later, but reading the start of Ezekiel 36, it doesn't look to apply to Rothchild's Israel:
Ezekiel 36:4 "...This is what the Sovereign Lord says to the mountains and hills, to the ravines and valleys, to the desolate ruins and the deserted towns that have been plundered and ridiculed by the rest of the nations around you"
Rothchild's Israel hasn't been plundered, but has plundered the other nations. Through usury and starting wars between neighbors, they have consolidated much of the worlds wealth onto themselves. Opposite to the people God is addressing in the text.
Look at Exodus 22:21-24 “You shall not wrong a stranger or oppress him, for you were strangers in the land of Egypt. You shall not afflict any widow or orphan. If you afflict him at all, and if he does cry out to Me, I will surely hear his cry; and My anger will be kindled, and I will kill you with the sword, and your wives shall become widows and your children fatherless."
The Jewish supremacists have done all of that, so any wars their neighbors are waging might be the will of God.
God choose the Jews to give birth to the Messiah, Jesus, to bring forth the Scriptures and to bring the Gospel to the nations. Beyond that, all people are the same before God.
Acts 10:34-35" Opening his mouth, Peter said:
“I most certainly understand now that God is not one to show partiality, but in every nation the man who fears Him and does what is right is welcome to Him.""
And there are many such people in Palestine, Lebanon and Iran.
Rothchild's Israel hasn't been plundered, but has plundered the other nations. Through usury and starting wars between neighbors, they have consolidated much of the worlds wealth onto themselves. Opposite to the people God is addressing in the text.
The land previous to 1948 was in the hands of empire after empire; people after people. The Rothchilds very well may be a part of the SoS mentioned in Revelations 2, 3; but that's not for you and I to judge.
Romans 11 makes it apparent that we gentiles are grafted in to the tree of life, and give us sound doctrine on how to conduct ourselves when contenting against the root and the natural branch.
I would counter that God's promises do not become to no effect; it's clear that God still care for Israel; they are at the center of geo-politics for a reason.
Do not let the anger of the evil of others take your eyes off of Christ, I have been down this road, it's not pretty. To borrow from Christ Jesus in Matthew 5: Bless those who curse you.
The promises of God are not to no effect, but they are now open to every person who has believed in Christ Jesus.
Galatians 3:28-29 "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s descendants, heirs according to promise."
Ephesians 2:12,13,19 "remember that you were at that time separate from Christ, excluded from the people of Israel, and strangers to the covenants of the promise, having no hope and without God in the world. But now in Christ Jesus you who previously were far away have been brought near by the blood of Christ...So then you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but you are fellow citizens with the saints, and are of God’s household"
2 Corinthians 1:20 "For as many as are the promises of God, in Him is the "Yes." Therefore also in Him, the "Amen" by us is for glory to God."
Regarding the Jews who reject Christ, I don't think it is cursing them to call out evil that they are doing. Jesus says their true father is Satan (John 8:44). Paul also points out their evil 1 Thes 2:14-16.
I think that Paul considered his silent approval over the murder of Stephan to be sin. I think it is the same if we give approval to modern Jews when they murder their neighbors.
Edit: I am not trying to say people should hate the Jews. But Jews and Arabs should be viewed equally. Killing an Arab or Persian isn't more okay than killing a Jew or any other person.
In fact Christ commamded us to love our enemies.
Love is not an emotion its a discipline.
"This is my love, that ye keep my Word"
To love an enemy takes discipline to do God's Word. God wants none to perish, not even those who live in Israel. But it's clear who Gods chosen people now are. Those who accepted then invitation to Christ.
I don't consider war to be murder through; I'd like to expand further, visit a tangent here, that fully explains my viewpoint, I hope you will bear with me.
IMO The nation of Israel didn't start this war, Hamas did brutal things, and they demand a response by any King or ruler, or following, there will be more bloodshed. Since I have been alive they have been saying they want to wipe all of the Israelites off the face of the earth.
I think Israel has been remarkably restrained in the actions that they have taken. I think that Hamas, and Hezbollah, and others have hated the Jewish people for thousands of years, and I believe what they say, when I hear them say that they want to kill them all. "Extermination" is evil even if one hates an enemy. They are still human beings. God's law says that hate is murder at heart.
I know you are not saying or promoting this, by any means, for me, It doesn't matter that the remnant alone is elect; it's still mass murder that Hezbollah, Hamas, and others who hate Israel want to affect. They are getting exactly what they planned to deliver on to the heads of the Jewish people, and I'm sad to hear that; but I don't think Israel is wrong. Kings must execute righteousness, and the defense of your people is a righteous act. There is a time for war, as Solomon said.
In Romans 11, Paul quotes Elijah, and we are reminded that there is a Remant of Israel, and it talks about the original branches of the cultivated olive tree.
I urge caution with these things, not to curse Israel. I did this in the past, and I repent of it, and don't want any other people do to that.
We are grafted in, and to your point there:
Galatians 3:28-29 "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s descendants, heirs according to promise."
I honestly hate when all white people are called racist, and all white people are disparaged as X, or Y.
Jesus tells us the most important commandment is this:
“‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind, and with all your strength.’ The second is this, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no other commandment greater than these.” (Mark 12:30-31).
On these hang both the law and the prophets.
So I don't have to like or love the evil that other people do, but given that I was a slave to sin, and that I am not a good or righteous person, if I am publicly shaming others, I am shaming myself. I am condemned by my own words.
That being said, it is righteous to point out wrong doing, but only for the right purposes; for politics, policy, personal gain, clout, hatred, anger, and others, it's probably not right.
For God's Kingdom; this can be righteous, but only if our heart position is truly to see these people saved, to be changed.
If I saw that often here; or if I saw people asking for prayer for these people, that eyes might be opened, If I saw people blessing their enemies, doing good to those who cursed them, praying for those who abused them. Heck, if I were able to in the moment of my anger do that, I think it would be righteous;
Until then, are we the gentle and loving people that Paul taught us to be? We are going to be persecuted as a group so long as so many of us cling to Christ.
They've no problem with the LGBT, or any Caucasian that hates themselves and Christianity. What an honor as a gentile to belong to a group of people that loved God so much, and were so blessed by God, no we are not the beloved Jewish remnant, but those of us who have been born again, have been grafted in.
That's my position in a nutshell. We can't judge entire swaths of people, we become hypocrites when we do that, we don't like that applied to Caucasians, we're not superior, we're all made in God's image, and by His precious hand.
I'm sad to see the conflict either way, but God gave them that land, he said so in Ezekiel 36.
What happened in 1948 is fulfillment of Biblical prophecy. Just like Cyrus the Great was prophesied by Isaiah 44,45, as he spoke what God told him to speak.
Isaiah 44,45 was written during Isaiah's life time. Cyrus the great lived 200 or so years later.
We are living through Biblical prophecy.
Israel belongs to the Jewish people; The arabs around them for the entirety of my life and pledged repeatedly to destroy the Jews, and they fail ever time.
They failed in 1948, dozens of times over the years, and they fail again and again.
God chose them; no matter how people feel about it; we have to put what God has said first.
I will read the rest of the chapter later, but reading the start of Ezekiel 36, it doesn't look to apply to Rothchild's Israel:
Ezekiel 36:4 "...This is what the Sovereign Lord says to the mountains and hills, to the ravines and valleys, to the desolate ruins and the deserted towns that have been plundered and ridiculed by the rest of the nations around you"
Rothchild's Israel hasn't been plundered, but has plundered the other nations. Through usury and starting wars between neighbors, they have consolidated much of the worlds wealth onto themselves. Opposite to the people God is addressing in the text.
Look at Exodus 22:21-24 “You shall not wrong a stranger or oppress him, for you were strangers in the land of Egypt. You shall not afflict any widow or orphan. If you afflict him at all, and if he does cry out to Me, I will surely hear his cry; and My anger will be kindled, and I will kill you with the sword, and your wives shall become widows and your children fatherless."
The Jewish supremacists have done all of that, so any wars their neighbors are waging might be the will of God.
God choose the Jews to give birth to the Messiah, Jesus, to bring forth the Scriptures and to bring the Gospel to the nations. Beyond that, all people are the same before God.
Acts 10:34-35" Opening his mouth, Peter said: “I most certainly understand now that God is not one to show partiality, but in every nation the man who fears Him and does what is right is welcome to Him.""
And there are many such people in Palestine, Lebanon and Iran.
Those who reject Christ are not God's people (1 John 2:22, John 8:24).
The land previous to 1948 was in the hands of empire after empire; people after people. The Rothchilds very well may be a part of the SoS mentioned in Revelations 2, 3; but that's not for you and I to judge.
Romans 11 makes it apparent that we gentiles are grafted in to the tree of life, and give us sound doctrine on how to conduct ourselves when contenting against the root and the natural branch.
I would counter that God's promises do not become to no effect; it's clear that God still care for Israel; they are at the center of geo-politics for a reason.
Do not let the anger of the evil of others take your eyes off of Christ, I have been down this road, it's not pretty. To borrow from Christ Jesus in Matthew 5: Bless those who curse you.
The promises of God are not to no effect, but they are now open to every person who has believed in Christ Jesus.
Galatians 3:28-29 "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s descendants, heirs according to promise."
Ephesians 2:12,13,19 "remember that you were at that time separate from Christ, excluded from the people of Israel, and strangers to the covenants of the promise, having no hope and without God in the world. But now in Christ Jesus you who previously were far away have been brought near by the blood of Christ...So then you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but you are fellow citizens with the saints, and are of God’s household"
2 Corinthians 1:20 "For as many as are the promises of God, in Him is the "Yes." Therefore also in Him, the "Amen" by us is for glory to God."
Regarding the Jews who reject Christ, I don't think it is cursing them to call out evil that they are doing. Jesus says their true father is Satan (John 8:44). Paul also points out their evil 1 Thes 2:14-16.
I think that Paul considered his silent approval over the murder of Stephan to be sin. I think it is the same if we give approval to modern Jews when they murder their neighbors.
Edit: I am not trying to say people should hate the Jews. But Jews and Arabs should be viewed equally. Killing an Arab or Persian isn't more okay than killing a Jew or any other person.
In fact Christ commamded us to love our enemies.
Love is not an emotion its a discipline.
"This is my love, that ye keep my Word"
To love an enemy takes discipline to do God's Word. God wants none to perish, not even those who live in Israel. But it's clear who Gods chosen people now are. Those who accepted then invitation to Christ.
I don't consider war to be murder through; I'd like to expand further, visit a tangent here, that fully explains my viewpoint, I hope you will bear with me.
IMO The nation of Israel didn't start this war, Hamas did brutal things, and they demand a response by any King or ruler, or following, there will be more bloodshed. Since I have been alive they have been saying they want to wipe all of the Israelites off the face of the earth.
I think Israel has been remarkably restrained in the actions that they have taken. I think that Hamas, and Hezbollah, and others have hated the Jewish people for thousands of years, and I believe what they say, when I hear them say that they want to kill them all. "Extermination" is evil even if one hates an enemy. They are still human beings. God's law says that hate is murder at heart.
I know you are not saying or promoting this, by any means, for me, It doesn't matter that the remnant alone is elect; it's still mass murder that Hezbollah, Hamas, and others who hate Israel want to affect. They are getting exactly what they planned to deliver on to the heads of the Jewish people, and I'm sad to hear that; but I don't think Israel is wrong. Kings must execute righteousness, and the defense of your people is a righteous act. There is a time for war, as Solomon said.
In Romans 11, Paul quotes Elijah, and we are reminded that there is a Remant of Israel, and it talks about the original branches of the cultivated olive tree.
I urge caution with these things, not to curse Israel. I did this in the past, and I repent of it, and don't want any other people do to that.
We are grafted in, and to your point there:
Galatians 3:28-29 "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s descendants, heirs according to promise."
I honestly hate when all white people are called racist, and all white people are disparaged as X, or Y.
Jesus tells us the most important commandment is this:
On these hang both the law and the prophets.
So I don't have to like or love the evil that other people do, but given that I was a slave to sin, and that I am not a good or righteous person, if I am publicly shaming others, I am shaming myself. I am condemned by my own words.
That being said, it is righteous to point out wrong doing, but only for the right purposes; for politics, policy, personal gain, clout, hatred, anger, and others, it's probably not right.
For God's Kingdom; this can be righteous, but only if our heart position is truly to see these people saved, to be changed.
If I saw that often here; or if I saw people asking for prayer for these people, that eyes might be opened, If I saw people blessing their enemies, doing good to those who cursed them, praying for those who abused them. Heck, if I were able to in the moment of my anger do that, I think it would be righteous;
Until then, are we the gentle and loving people that Paul taught us to be? We are going to be persecuted as a group so long as so many of us cling to Christ.
They've no problem with the LGBT, or any Caucasian that hates themselves and Christianity. What an honor as a gentile to belong to a group of people that loved God so much, and were so blessed by God, no we are not the beloved Jewish remnant, but those of us who have been born again, have been grafted in.
That's my position in a nutshell. We can't judge entire swaths of people, we become hypocrites when we do that, we don't like that applied to Caucasians, we're not superior, we're all made in God's image, and by His precious hand.