The promises of God are not to no effect, but they are now open to every person who has believed in Christ Jesus.
Galatians 3:28-29 "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s descendants, heirs according to promise."
Ephesians 2:12,13,19 "remember that you were at that time separate from Christ, excluded from the people of Israel, and strangers to the covenants of the promise, having no hope and without God in the world. But now in Christ Jesus you who previously were far away have been brought near by the blood of Christ...So then you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but you are fellow citizens with the saints, and are of God’s household"
2 Corinthians 1:20 "For as many as are the promises of God, in Him is the "Yes." Therefore also in Him, the "Amen" by us is for glory to God."
Regarding the Jews who reject Christ, I don't think it is cursing them to call out evil that they are doing. Jesus says their true father is Satan (John 8:44). Paul also points out their evil 1 Thes 2:14-16.
I think that Paul considered his silent approval over the murder of Stephan to be sin. I think it is the same if we give approval to modern Jews when they murder their neighbors.
Edit: I am not trying to say people should hate the Jews. But Jews and Arabs should be viewed equally. Killing an Arab or Persian isn't more okay than killing a Jew or any other person.
In fact Christ commamded us to love our enemies.
Love is not an emotion its a discipline.
"This is my love, that ye keep my Word"
To love an enemy takes discipline to do God's Word. God wants none to perish, not even those who live in Israel. But it's clear who Gods chosen people now are. Those who accepted then invitation to Christ.
I don't consider war to be murder through; I'd like to expand further, visit a tangent here, that fully explains my viewpoint, I hope you will bear with me.
IMO The nation of Israel didn't start this war, Hamas did brutal things, and they demand a response by any King or ruler, or following, there will be more bloodshed. Since I have been alive they have been saying they want to wipe all of the Israelites off the face of the earth.
I think Israel has been remarkably restrained in the actions that they have taken. I think that Hamas, and Hezbollah, and others have hated the Jewish people for thousands of years, and I believe what they say, when I hear them say that they want to kill them all. "Extermination" is evil even if one hates an enemy. They are still human beings. God's law says that hate is murder at heart.
I know you are not saying or promoting this, by any means, for me, It doesn't matter that the remnant alone is elect; it's still mass murder that Hezbollah, Hamas, and others who hate Israel want to affect. They are getting exactly what they planned to deliver on to the heads of the Jewish people, and I'm sad to hear that; but I don't think Israel is wrong. Kings must execute righteousness, and the defense of your people is a righteous act. There is a time for war, as Solomon said.
If I thought that Hamas and Hezbollah were the cause of the war I would agree with you. I think, like 9/11, which was advertised and being committed by Arabs and Afghans, when it was really committed by Americans and Israelis, so was Oct 7th.
Also, I have heard Israel persecutes the remnant a lot. There are groups in Israel that want all Christians (including the racially jewish Christians) to be killed.
On the other hand, I don't know if Hamas and Hezbollah have any animosity to the remnant. They are against the Zionists, who are anti-Christs.
I wish I knew the truth. I have thought so many times that I knew the truth, that I had the right idea, but only to find I had not had the right idea, nor knew the truth.
In Romans 11, Paul quotes Elijah, and we are reminded that there is a Remant of Israel, and it talks about the original branches of the cultivated olive tree.
I urge caution with these things, not to curse Israel. I did this in the past, and I repent of it, and don't want any other people do to that.
We are grafted in, and to your point there:
Galatians 3:28-29 "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s descendants, heirs according to promise."
I honestly hate when all white people are called racist, and all white people are disparaged as X, or Y.
Jesus tells us the most important commandment is this:
“‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind, and with all your strength.’ The second is this, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no other commandment greater than these.” (Mark 12:30-31).
On these hang both the law and the prophets.
So I don't have to like or love the evil that other people do, but given that I was a slave to sin, and that I am not a good or righteous person, if I am publicly shaming others, I am shaming myself. I am condemned by my own words.
That being said, it is righteous to point out wrong doing, but only for the right purposes; for politics, policy, personal gain, clout, hatred, anger, and others, it's probably not right.
For God's Kingdom; this can be righteous, but only if our heart position is truly to see these people saved, to be changed.
If I saw that often here; or if I saw people asking for prayer for these people, that eyes might be opened, If I saw people blessing their enemies, doing good to those who cursed them, praying for those who abused them. Heck, if I were able to in the moment of my anger do that, I think it would be righteous;
Until then, are we the gentle and loving people that Paul taught us to be? We are going to be persecuted as a group so long as so many of us cling to Christ.
They've no problem with the LGBT, or any Caucasian that hates themselves and Christianity. What an honor as a gentile to belong to a group of people that loved God so much, and were so blessed by God, no we are not the beloved Jewish remnant, but those of us who have been born again, have been grafted in.
That's my position in a nutshell. We can't judge entire swaths of people, we become hypocrites when we do that, we don't like that applied to Caucasians, we're not superior, we're all made in God's image, and by His precious hand.
I think I agree with most of your positions, although I would lean somewhat more towards exposing evil. Personal vice, like when Noah gets drunk and sleeps naked, shouldn't be exposed.
But when there is organized evil, I think it should be exposed and talked about. "But all things become visible when they are exposed by the light, for everything that becomes visible is light." (Eph 5:13)
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I think when most people use the term "The Jews", they are not referring to racially jewish Christians (i.e. the remnant).
It is like John 7, in some translations, where it says (1)"the Jews were seeking to kill Him." but (25)"some of the people of Jerusalem were saying, “Is this not the man whom they are seeking to kill?". Even though most people in the Gospels are racially Jewish, it seems like the cabal is often called "The Jews" while the other Jewish people are just referred to as "the people".
To be fair, the reason that I shy away, is that I went down a dark path previously about Judaism, it would have been hard to distinguish me from a Natsoc for a time. I regret it and I hope to keep others from going down that path too. Not to mention, I leaned into some stuff I learned as a child, my mother's family is of german descent, and I very unfortunately, as I heard more and more propaganda, allowed pride, which I thought was under control to very seriously threaten my walk with Christ. The truth is, I don't know the truth about the Jewish people, but I know the Way the Truth and the Light, and the Lord pulled me away from all of that.
I changed my mind when I read Romans 11; and had realized that I hadn't been loving my neighbor. I amended my thinking, I repented; and I decided that since I didn't think I could truly know, that I would let God decide it for me, and I apologized to the Lord, and since then, I let only blessings leave my mouth towards them. It's very clear that Lord is not done with them, and since I can't know, I just don't want to be pronouncing things as if I do.
I have from God, from Christ, received incredible mercy in my life. I hope for mercy for all of them, since I myself found that I couldn't separate a sheep from a goat, as it were, but I know that He can. Also when I consider my former conduct, I used to actively wallow in sexual immorality, pride, and sinful behavior, so who am I that could judge even the most evil of all Jewish people? I'm worse.
I do agree with you, that we need to expose evil, plots, etc; but I wish I knew how to do it without pleasing the flesh. It may be my personal hangup.
I'm fighting the flesh everyday; it's a constant thorn, and ever present. Fasting is the only way I know how to make it stop for a time. Perhaps I project too much.
Your perspective does make sense now, give you background. Thank you for that!
I do find it hard to know when to speak or not speak on some wrongdoing a lot of the time as well. I guess sometimes it is better to say a pray than speak, alternatively.
I think we all struggle with the flesh. Even Paul. I used to fret over it because I didn't fully believe in eternal security. Now I understand that Eternal life is gained, forever, as soon as someone believes Jesus is the Christ, so I have more peace amid the struggle.
The promises of God are not to no effect, but they are now open to every person who has believed in Christ Jesus.
Galatians 3:28-29 "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s descendants, heirs according to promise."
Ephesians 2:12,13,19 "remember that you were at that time separate from Christ, excluded from the people of Israel, and strangers to the covenants of the promise, having no hope and without God in the world. But now in Christ Jesus you who previously were far away have been brought near by the blood of Christ...So then you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but you are fellow citizens with the saints, and are of God’s household"
2 Corinthians 1:20 "For as many as are the promises of God, in Him is the "Yes." Therefore also in Him, the "Amen" by us is for glory to God."
Regarding the Jews who reject Christ, I don't think it is cursing them to call out evil that they are doing. Jesus says their true father is Satan (John 8:44). Paul also points out their evil 1 Thes 2:14-16.
I think that Paul considered his silent approval over the murder of Stephan to be sin. I think it is the same if we give approval to modern Jews when they murder their neighbors.
Edit: I am not trying to say people should hate the Jews. But Jews and Arabs should be viewed equally. Killing an Arab or Persian isn't more okay than killing a Jew or any other person.
In fact Christ commamded us to love our enemies.
Love is not an emotion its a discipline.
"This is my love, that ye keep my Word"
To love an enemy takes discipline to do God's Word. God wants none to perish, not even those who live in Israel. But it's clear who Gods chosen people now are. Those who accepted then invitation to Christ.
I don't consider war to be murder through; I'd like to expand further, visit a tangent here, that fully explains my viewpoint, I hope you will bear with me.
IMO The nation of Israel didn't start this war, Hamas did brutal things, and they demand a response by any King or ruler, or following, there will be more bloodshed. Since I have been alive they have been saying they want to wipe all of the Israelites off the face of the earth.
I think Israel has been remarkably restrained in the actions that they have taken. I think that Hamas, and Hezbollah, and others have hated the Jewish people for thousands of years, and I believe what they say, when I hear them say that they want to kill them all. "Extermination" is evil even if one hates an enemy. They are still human beings. God's law says that hate is murder at heart.
I know you are not saying or promoting this, by any means, for me, It doesn't matter that the remnant alone is elect; it's still mass murder that Hezbollah, Hamas, and others who hate Israel want to affect. They are getting exactly what they planned to deliver on to the heads of the Jewish people, and I'm sad to hear that; but I don't think Israel is wrong. Kings must execute righteousness, and the defense of your people is a righteous act. There is a time for war, as Solomon said.
If I thought that Hamas and Hezbollah were the cause of the war I would agree with you. I think, like 9/11, which was advertised and being committed by Arabs and Afghans, when it was really committed by Americans and Israelis, so was Oct 7th.
For example, there was a 7 hour stand down and reports of Israel firing on their own people: https://thecradle.co/articles-id/11993
Also, I have heard Israel persecutes the remnant a lot. There are groups in Israel that want all Christians (including the racially jewish Christians) to be killed.
On the other hand, I don't know if Hamas and Hezbollah have any animosity to the remnant. They are against the Zionists, who are anti-Christs.
I wish I knew the truth. I have thought so many times that I knew the truth, that I had the right idea, but only to find I had not had the right idea, nor knew the truth.
God please, have mercy on us all.
I agree. It is so hard to tell and we can't know for sure in this life.
6 years ago I was fully convinced Iran was totally evil, now I am very uncertain.
In Romans 11, Paul quotes Elijah, and we are reminded that there is a Remant of Israel, and it talks about the original branches of the cultivated olive tree.
I urge caution with these things, not to curse Israel. I did this in the past, and I repent of it, and don't want any other people do to that.
We are grafted in, and to your point there:
Galatians 3:28-29 "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s descendants, heirs according to promise."
I honestly hate when all white people are called racist, and all white people are disparaged as X, or Y.
Jesus tells us the most important commandment is this:
On these hang both the law and the prophets.
So I don't have to like or love the evil that other people do, but given that I was a slave to sin, and that I am not a good or righteous person, if I am publicly shaming others, I am shaming myself. I am condemned by my own words.
That being said, it is righteous to point out wrong doing, but only for the right purposes; for politics, policy, personal gain, clout, hatred, anger, and others, it's probably not right.
For God's Kingdom; this can be righteous, but only if our heart position is truly to see these people saved, to be changed.
If I saw that often here; or if I saw people asking for prayer for these people, that eyes might be opened, If I saw people blessing their enemies, doing good to those who cursed them, praying for those who abused them. Heck, if I were able to in the moment of my anger do that, I think it would be righteous;
Until then, are we the gentle and loving people that Paul taught us to be? We are going to be persecuted as a group so long as so many of us cling to Christ.
They've no problem with the LGBT, or any Caucasian that hates themselves and Christianity. What an honor as a gentile to belong to a group of people that loved God so much, and were so blessed by God, no we are not the beloved Jewish remnant, but those of us who have been born again, have been grafted in.
That's my position in a nutshell. We can't judge entire swaths of people, we become hypocrites when we do that, we don't like that applied to Caucasians, we're not superior, we're all made in God's image, and by His precious hand.
I think I agree with most of your positions, although I would lean somewhat more towards exposing evil. Personal vice, like when Noah gets drunk and sleeps naked, shouldn't be exposed.
But when there is organized evil, I think it should be exposed and talked about. "But all things become visible when they are exposed by the light, for everything that becomes visible is light." (Eph 5:13)
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I think when most people use the term "The Jews", they are not referring to racially jewish Christians (i.e. the remnant).
It is like John 7, in some translations, where it says (1)"the Jews were seeking to kill Him." but (25)"some of the people of Jerusalem were saying, “Is this not the man whom they are seeking to kill?". Even though most people in the Gospels are racially Jewish, it seems like the cabal is often called "The Jews" while the other Jewish people are just referred to as "the people".
To be fair, the reason that I shy away, is that I went down a dark path previously about Judaism, it would have been hard to distinguish me from a Natsoc for a time. I regret it and I hope to keep others from going down that path too. Not to mention, I leaned into some stuff I learned as a child, my mother's family is of german descent, and I very unfortunately, as I heard more and more propaganda, allowed pride, which I thought was under control to very seriously threaten my walk with Christ. The truth is, I don't know the truth about the Jewish people, but I know the Way the Truth and the Light, and the Lord pulled me away from all of that.
I changed my mind when I read Romans 11; and had realized that I hadn't been loving my neighbor. I amended my thinking, I repented; and I decided that since I didn't think I could truly know, that I would let God decide it for me, and I apologized to the Lord, and since then, I let only blessings leave my mouth towards them. It's very clear that Lord is not done with them, and since I can't know, I just don't want to be pronouncing things as if I do.
I have from God, from Christ, received incredible mercy in my life. I hope for mercy for all of them, since I myself found that I couldn't separate a sheep from a goat, as it were, but I know that He can. Also when I consider my former conduct, I used to actively wallow in sexual immorality, pride, and sinful behavior, so who am I that could judge even the most evil of all Jewish people? I'm worse.
I do agree with you, that we need to expose evil, plots, etc; but I wish I knew how to do it without pleasing the flesh. It may be my personal hangup.
I'm fighting the flesh everyday; it's a constant thorn, and ever present. Fasting is the only way I know how to make it stop for a time. Perhaps I project too much.
May God bless you.
Your perspective does make sense now, give you background. Thank you for that!
I do find it hard to know when to speak or not speak on some wrongdoing a lot of the time as well. I guess sometimes it is better to say a pray than speak, alternatively.
I think we all struggle with the flesh. Even Paul. I used to fret over it because I didn't fully believe in eternal security. Now I understand that Eternal life is gained, forever, as soon as someone believes Jesus is the Christ, so I have more peace amid the struggle.
God bless you as well!