We Protestants might think Trump is a hero being used mightily by God, but we know he, like you, me and all your popes throughout history, is actually fallible. You know what isn't fallible? Scripture. I hope you will check your faith by it to see if it is indeed true.
The Catholic Church put the scriptures together. Now work out what you said with what is historically true.
Also remember THOU SHALT NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS AGAINST THY NEIGHBOR.
Don’t tell lies about Catholicism. Careful what you claim. Do we believe the Pope is infallible? You might want to look into the details of that before you make another comment. You wouldn’t want to be found guilty of bearing false witness would you?
Do you remember Lincoln’s “a house divided against itself cannot stand” comment, or how he sourced that idea from Yeshua’s response to being accused of casting out demons by Ba’alzebub?
There have been both good and bad tendencies and ideas on display in this thread. We would all do well to humble ourselves, avoid division, seek peace between brethren, search out and test for truth, take what is good, and leave the rest.
Who said anything about a contest and why are you barking up my tree when the poster before me is lying about what Catholics believe?
Perhaps you should remind your brother not to bear false witness against his neighbor.
The house divided is the Protestant going against the Catholic faith. With that said, it is Protestantism that falls apart because of their various beliefs that do not align with one another.
no one woukd dare tell Jesus “it isnta contest” when he rebuked the Pharisees.
Besides, the truth is divisive by nature.
if anyone on this form has a problem with Catholicism, but believes the Bible to be the word of God then they should consider that the Catholic Church is the only reason any of you have a Bible to begin with. The Bible is a Catholic book. if the Catholic faith is the whore of Babylon, then why are you reading and trusting its Bible?
I pray for the unification of all Christians under the banner of Christ and his church, the Catholic Church. we won’t get there by pretending wrong is right and lies are truth.
I mean neither affront, nor to address anyone unevenly, and apologize for not going 1-1 on avoidance of conflict. My response was toward the “WE are The One True Church” and was intended toward a lot of the same points you bring up.
This should have also been private, so apologies for that as well. I was also defending Catholicism elsewhere, and didn’t realize it wasn’t all in the same place. Will say more later, just wanted to get that out of the way as quickly as possible.
I don't know what you believe because actual real-life Catholics believe all kinds of things, some of which are official doctrine of the Catholic Church, some are contrary to official doctrine, and some are just gray areas. As for Papal infallibility, I just looked it up on Wikipedia in case something changed from the time I learned about it and seems like that's still an official dogma. So if Wikipedia is incorrect on the matter, you can let me know after you update the entry. If you feel you would like to clarify something about it for me , go ahead. I just don't believe in papal infallibility, and it's one of several reasons I rejected Catholicism and chose Evangelicalism when I realized I needed to choose a church.
Wikipedia is a leftist propaganda tool, and the left is adamantly opposed to Catholicism. Why wouldn’t you look to see what official Catholic teaching is?
You can read the magisterium of the Catholic Church yourself, which is the deposit of faith which means official church teaching or you could use catholic.com and search literally any term to find out what Catholicism actually teaches.
I would go to the main page and type in papal infallibility to see several articles that go over this topic. it is one of the most misunderstood parts of Catholicism.
The pope can be on a plane demanding that Catholics favor Oreo cookies over chocolate chip and it doesn’t mean a thing. When he speaks from the chair of Peter on matters of faith and morals, that is where he is in fallible. But please don’t take my word for it and read for yourself about what Catholics believe. a “Catholic“ who believes things contrary to the magisterium are not practicing the Catholic faith. One of our strengths is our unity, morals, and faith. 1 billion Catholics believe the same thing while protestants believe thousands of different things. “Catholic” who thinks abortion is OK and permissible is not a Catholic nor are they practicing the Catholic faith. There are certain things that Catholics are free to believe one way or another because the church has not made a declarative stance, but if it’s put in the magisterium, then we are all obligated to accept it as truth and failure to do so puts you outside of the Catholic faith. I’m only telling you this because part of your comment was that there are Catholics who believe different things and I want you to understand that Catholics have to abide by and believe what is in the deposit faith lest they not be Catholic anymore. This an aside from papal infallibility. I just wanted to address both because you mentioned both.
Anytime you want to learn what Catholics actually believe, I would not look to individuals, but to the official teaching which is called the magisterium. The church has its own canon law and hierarchy, and if it feels too much to go through, start with catholic.com and put in whatever term you’re curious about. You will lose nothing from learning more about Catholicism. You will either be convicted or you will have better arguments for why you believe what you believe.
Sorry for any errors that might be left over. I did this using voice to text 😬
We Protestants might think Trump is a hero being used mightily by God, but we know he, like you, me and all your popes throughout history, is actually fallible. You know what isn't fallible? Scripture. I hope you will check your faith by it to see if it is indeed true.
The Catholic Church put the scriptures together. Now work out what you said with what is historically true.
Also remember THOU SHALT NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS AGAINST THY NEIGHBOR.
Don’t tell lies about Catholicism. Careful what you claim. Do we believe the Pope is infallible? You might want to look into the details of that before you make another comment. You wouldn’t want to be found guilty of bearing false witness would you?
Is this a contest?
Do you remember Lincoln’s “a house divided against itself cannot stand” comment, or how he sourced that idea from Yeshua’s response to being accused of casting out demons by Ba’alzebub?
There have been both good and bad tendencies and ideas on display in this thread. We would all do well to humble ourselves, avoid division, seek peace between brethren, search out and test for truth, take what is good, and leave the rest.
I hope you have a blessed day!
Who said anything about a contest and why are you barking up my tree when the poster before me is lying about what Catholics believe?
Perhaps you should remind your brother not to bear false witness against his neighbor.
The house divided is the Protestant going against the Catholic faith. With that said, it is Protestantism that falls apart because of their various beliefs that do not align with one another.
no one woukd dare tell Jesus “it isnta contest” when he rebuked the Pharisees.
Besides, the truth is divisive by nature.
if anyone on this form has a problem with Catholicism, but believes the Bible to be the word of God then they should consider that the Catholic Church is the only reason any of you have a Bible to begin with. The Bible is a Catholic book. if the Catholic faith is the whore of Babylon, then why are you reading and trusting its Bible?
I pray for the unification of all Christians under the banner of Christ and his church, the Catholic Church. we won’t get there by pretending wrong is right and lies are truth.
I mean neither affront, nor to address anyone unevenly, and apologize for not going 1-1 on avoidance of conflict. My response was toward the “WE are The One True Church” and was intended toward a lot of the same points you bring up.
This should have also been private, so apologies for that as well. I was also defending Catholicism elsewhere, and didn’t realize it wasn’t all in the same place. Will say more later, just wanted to get that out of the way as quickly as possible.
I don't know what you believe because actual real-life Catholics believe all kinds of things, some of which are official doctrine of the Catholic Church, some are contrary to official doctrine, and some are just gray areas. As for Papal infallibility, I just looked it up on Wikipedia in case something changed from the time I learned about it and seems like that's still an official dogma. So if Wikipedia is incorrect on the matter, you can let me know after you update the entry. If you feel you would like to clarify something about it for me , go ahead. I just don't believe in papal infallibility, and it's one of several reasons I rejected Catholicism and chose Evangelicalism when I realized I needed to choose a church.
Wikipedia is a leftist propaganda tool, and the left is adamantly opposed to Catholicism. Why wouldn’t you look to see what official Catholic teaching is?
https://www.catholic.com/tract/papal-infallibility
You can read the magisterium of the Catholic Church yourself, which is the deposit of faith which means official church teaching or you could use catholic.com and search literally any term to find out what Catholicism actually teaches.
I would go to the main page and type in papal infallibility to see several articles that go over this topic. it is one of the most misunderstood parts of Catholicism.
The pope can be on a plane demanding that Catholics favor Oreo cookies over chocolate chip and it doesn’t mean a thing. When he speaks from the chair of Peter on matters of faith and morals, that is where he is in fallible. But please don’t take my word for it and read for yourself about what Catholics believe. a “Catholic“ who believes things contrary to the magisterium are not practicing the Catholic faith. One of our strengths is our unity, morals, and faith. 1 billion Catholics believe the same thing while protestants believe thousands of different things. “Catholic” who thinks abortion is OK and permissible is not a Catholic nor are they practicing the Catholic faith. There are certain things that Catholics are free to believe one way or another because the church has not made a declarative stance, but if it’s put in the magisterium, then we are all obligated to accept it as truth and failure to do so puts you outside of the Catholic faith. I’m only telling you this because part of your comment was that there are Catholics who believe different things and I want you to understand that Catholics have to abide by and believe what is in the deposit faith lest they not be Catholic anymore. This an aside from papal infallibility. I just wanted to address both because you mentioned both.
Anytime you want to learn what Catholics actually believe, I would not look to individuals, but to the official teaching which is called the magisterium. The church has its own canon law and hierarchy, and if it feels too much to go through, start with catholic.com and put in whatever term you’re curious about. You will lose nothing from learning more about Catholicism. You will either be convicted or you will have better arguments for why you believe what you believe.
Sorry for any errors that might be left over. I did this using voice to text 😬
Peace brother