It's up to the guys who pay the dock workers how they utilize people or machines in the company, it's not up to the dock workers. If the owners want to use machines that is their perogative. The dock workers can probably keep their jobs if they work for less than the cost of the machines, don't call in sick, and do the job without errors. But being good unionists they will want more money, more time off and no repercussions if something goes wrong. Plus, let's say if all the dock workers retired on the same day wouldn't the owners have a green light to replace those workers with robots? Screw the unions, they are all Communist front groups, anyways.
I tend to agree though my knowledge of the Unions is somewhat limited. I've never worked with them either. From what I know they did have a somewhat benevolent beginning, in protest for workers' fair treatment, but like other well intended orgs they were comp'd by the leftists
My dad was a teamster for 32 years. When he died my mother had to spend 16 years suing for his death benefits. She won finally but ended up nearly working g herself to death until then. My dad cursed them before he died.
That is evil. People need to honor their debts and contractual obligations. Even if something is not in a contract, they need to realize people are human beings and give them what they thought they were going to get or at least make a gesture of it and get them what they really will need for comfort and to live.
That having been said, get used to robot replacement...and instead of fighting against robots for jobs, demand that you get compensated for your robot replacement in the form of some royalties or dividents
They can't just eliminate everyones jobs and leave them with nothing. That doesn't work anyway, because the makers are producing things for the consumers...not wise for drug dealers to kill their users
Maybe the union workers can become the guys who manage the machines. They can be retrained to set robot parameters and schedule their workload. Kinda like being middle management with a little bit of robot control. Heck, I'd want to sit in a office all day programming on a computer than being out in the elements with the chance of getting injured. Seems like a no trainer to me.
I worked for the USPS for 30 years and only joined the union because of the healthcare benefits. I was and still am anti union but was forced to join the union because of the health benefits. I'm more of a management person. I personally saw union personel slow down the processing of the mail because of minor preceived contract violations. These people raised their hand and asked to be hired by a good paying employer. So once they joined the union that wanting of a job went out the window and they only thought of how can I get overtime, do less work, create more union positions, and get paid more. It was unsettling because I worked in a small mail processing facility where there were only about 20-30 workers. You either loved the union or hated it. I chose to see it for what it is, a communist organization dedicated to foment ill will between the workers and management. Heck, in the facility we had two mail handlers (guys who would unload trucks and take the mail to processing stations). The postmaster stated that this facility didn't need mail handlers and forced both guys to sit in a room all night long. For eight hours they did not work, yet during that time they filed grievences stating their rights were being violated. Every single night they would write up the same grievences, with a pencil in long hand. Eventually the Postmaster won and the two employees were transfered to a larger facitlity an hour's drive away. They got to keep their jobs, yet they had to travel two hours a day to go to work. The post office did just fine without them because the clerks picked up their workload. The postmaster was right. This is just one example of how unions work, or don't work to better the system.
once they joined the union that wanting of a job went out the window and they only thought of how can I get overtime, do less work, create more union positions, and get paid more
is this why I seem to always see construction workers just standing around smoking cigs and on the phone?
It's up to the guys who pay the dock workers how they utilize people or machines in the company, it's not up to the dock workers. If the owners want to use machines that is their perogative. The dock workers can probably keep their jobs if they work for less than the cost of the machines, don't call in sick, and do the job without errors. But being good unionists they will want more money, more time off and no repercussions if something goes wrong. Plus, let's say if all the dock workers retired on the same day wouldn't the owners have a green light to replace those workers with robots? Screw the unions, they are all Communist front groups, anyways.
I tend to agree though my knowledge of the Unions is somewhat limited. I've never worked with them either. From what I know they did have a somewhat benevolent beginning, in protest for workers' fair treatment, but like other well intended orgs they were comp'd by the leftists
My dad was a teamster for 32 years. When he died my mother had to spend 16 years suing for his death benefits. She won finally but ended up nearly working g herself to death until then. My dad cursed them before he died.
That is evil. People need to honor their debts and contractual obligations. Even if something is not in a contract, they need to realize people are human beings and give them what they thought they were going to get or at least make a gesture of it and get them what they really will need for comfort and to live.
That having been said, get used to robot replacement...and instead of fighting against robots for jobs, demand that you get compensated for your robot replacement in the form of some royalties or dividents
They can't just eliminate everyones jobs and leave them with nothing. That doesn't work anyway, because the makers are producing things for the consumers...not wise for drug dealers to kill their users
Maybe the union workers can become the guys who manage the machines. They can be retrained to set robot parameters and schedule their workload. Kinda like being middle management with a little bit of robot control. Heck, I'd want to sit in a office all day programming on a computer than being out in the elements with the chance of getting injured. Seems like a no trainer to me.
I worked for the USPS for 30 years and only joined the union because of the healthcare benefits. I was and still am anti union but was forced to join the union because of the health benefits. I'm more of a management person. I personally saw union personel slow down the processing of the mail because of minor preceived contract violations. These people raised their hand and asked to be hired by a good paying employer. So once they joined the union that wanting of a job went out the window and they only thought of how can I get overtime, do less work, create more union positions, and get paid more. It was unsettling because I worked in a small mail processing facility where there were only about 20-30 workers. You either loved the union or hated it. I chose to see it for what it is, a communist organization dedicated to foment ill will between the workers and management. Heck, in the facility we had two mail handlers (guys who would unload trucks and take the mail to processing stations). The postmaster stated that this facility didn't need mail handlers and forced both guys to sit in a room all night long. For eight hours they did not work, yet during that time they filed grievences stating their rights were being violated. Every single night they would write up the same grievences, with a pencil in long hand. Eventually the Postmaster won and the two employees were transfered to a larger facitlity an hour's drive away. They got to keep their jobs, yet they had to travel two hours a day to go to work. The post office did just fine without them because the clerks picked up their workload. The postmaster was right. This is just one example of how unions work, or don't work to better the system.
Damn. That sounds like quite the racket
is this why I seem to always see construction workers just standing around smoking cigs and on the phone?
100% This ^^^