the management system will never go with the no automation thing....just like the fast food workers they wanted their 15.00 (20.00 in CA) and now its all kiosks jobs gone the union is trying to muscle them into submission but will bite them in the ass in the long run....wile the high paid union bosses sit in their mansions .... the unions have become the same monster they were created to fight
Yeah, the Automation is taking their jobs, and asking for a 77% raise for they people with 6 years or more is crazy. It would be an even higher percentage for new hires. Apparently going to grab what they can and their leadership too.
On Fast food workers, in the Philippines, in 2020 McDonald and Jollibee's (Their favorite fast food chain) were putting in self-order kiosks, I'm not sure how that progressed due to COVID, but it wasn't just about the wages. In the Philippines at the time workers at those jobs made 7 bucks a DAY. So there's more to it than wages.
Another thing you want to look at is the price of renting commercial space. That also is a major factor. 10 Years ago Ihop wanted to open a corporate store, but the rent would have been 350K a year. According to my Neice who works in Management, that was more than the payroll at the location she worked at.
McDonald's jobs back in the day were largely teens working after school, but that is no longer the case. There are so many regulations in order to work teens that it's no longer worthwhile. Can't operate X machine its dangerous, can only work until a certain time at night (Many are 24-hour operations), and etc... This was done to destroy work ethics...
The Dock Workers are asking for a lot, but automation is coming for their jobs no matter what, along with many other low-skilled jobs.
In the end you selling your labor to your boss is your micro business and you deserve all you can get, just like the boss. Corporations tweak it so that a few key people are way overpaid and the bottom is becoming legal and illegals with no benefits at all.
As WEF is clearly demonstrating, the further away from locals, the more evil business becomes. Sole Proprietorships and Partnerships are better for everyone.
The "no automation" demand is ultimately a deal breaker for management. Most ports around the world are becoming more automated, both for efficiency and to keep down costs. The Luddites of the 19th Century tried to save their jobs as weavers and loom operators by breaking the automated looms that appeared, but ultimately they lost that battle.
It's a form of union "feather bedding" to hang on to old, outmoded jobs long after they have become obsolete. If the ILA wants to stand in the way of technological progress, it will only harm them even more in the future... seeing what the union is doing in this strike, the management will be even MORE inclined to automate in the future, and I can't blame them.
Robots don't call in sick, don't go on strike, drink on the job, find a hidey-hole and sleep most of the shift, have HR problems, and so on. The lesson hasn't been lost on management, so GOOD JOB, unions, you're rapidly talking yourselves out of a job.
Screw those union workers not wanting to work. They can go stand in the same food line as the illegals! Plus the President of the ILA is a millionaire, how did that happen? Grifters will always get the cream as it rises, just like Aunt Nancy and her stock portfolio.
contract ended.. at this point, they are trespassing. every day they stand out there blocking the ports, they should be fined for the cost to the ship owners.
Those jobs going away no matter what, oh and on robots don't forget the robots don't steal, or go home while on the clock.
One of the security jobs I worked before moving abroad was for contract companies doing security at the Orange County Convention Center in Orlando. The facility Security had better wages and benefits. We worked for the trade show companies. 9 bucks an hour and you have to have a clean record to get a security license. Meanwhile we are watching the people who build the booths and forklifts etc... Mostly union and many felons. Unions employ a lot of felons.
So how hard do you think I'm going to guard when we and the janitors who cleaned the bathrooms were at the lowest pay in the building, and the stool I'm sitting on costs as much for them to rent as my pay? Meanwhile, the people we are watching are making triple or more.
the management system will never go with the no automation thing....just like the fast food workers they wanted their 15.00 (20.00 in CA) and now its all kiosks jobs gone the union is trying to muscle them into submission but will bite them in the ass in the long run....wile the high paid union bosses sit in their mansions .... the unions have become the same monster they were created to fight
Yeah, the Automation is taking their jobs, and asking for a 77% raise for they people with 6 years or more is crazy. It would be an even higher percentage for new hires. Apparently going to grab what they can and their leadership too.
On Fast food workers, in the Philippines, in 2020 McDonald and Jollibee's (Their favorite fast food chain) were putting in self-order kiosks, I'm not sure how that progressed due to COVID, but it wasn't just about the wages. In the Philippines at the time workers at those jobs made 7 bucks a DAY. So there's more to it than wages.
Another thing you want to look at is the price of renting commercial space. That also is a major factor. 10 Years ago Ihop wanted to open a corporate store, but the rent would have been 350K a year. According to my Neice who works in Management, that was more than the payroll at the location she worked at.
McDonald's jobs back in the day were largely teens working after school, but that is no longer the case. There are so many regulations in order to work teens that it's no longer worthwhile. Can't operate X machine its dangerous, can only work until a certain time at night (Many are 24-hour operations), and etc... This was done to destroy work ethics...
The Dock Workers are asking for a lot, but automation is coming for their jobs no matter what, along with many other low-skilled jobs.
In the end you selling your labor to your boss is your micro business and you deserve all you can get, just like the boss. Corporations tweak it so that a few key people are way overpaid and the bottom is becoming legal and illegals with no benefits at all.
As WEF is clearly demonstrating, the further away from locals, the more evil business becomes. Sole Proprietorships and Partnerships are better for everyone.
All good points and agreed 100%
The "no automation" demand is ultimately a deal breaker for management. Most ports around the world are becoming more automated, both for efficiency and to keep down costs. The Luddites of the 19th Century tried to save their jobs as weavers and loom operators by breaking the automated looms that appeared, but ultimately they lost that battle.
It's a form of union "feather bedding" to hang on to old, outmoded jobs long after they have become obsolete. If the ILA wants to stand in the way of technological progress, it will only harm them even more in the future... seeing what the union is doing in this strike, the management will be even MORE inclined to automate in the future, and I can't blame them.
Robots don't call in sick, don't go on strike, drink on the job, find a hidey-hole and sleep most of the shift, have HR problems, and so on. The lesson hasn't been lost on management, so GOOD JOB, unions, you're rapidly talking yourselves out of a job.
Absolutely. They are only hastening the inevitable.
Screw those union workers not wanting to work. They can go stand in the same food line as the illegals! Plus the President of the ILA is a millionaire, how did that happen? Grifters will always get the cream as it rises, just like Aunt Nancy and her stock portfolio.
contract ended.. at this point, they are trespassing. every day they stand out there blocking the ports, they should be fined for the cost to the ship owners.
Those jobs going away no matter what, oh and on robots don't forget the robots don't steal, or go home while on the clock.
One of the security jobs I worked before moving abroad was for contract companies doing security at the Orange County Convention Center in Orlando. The facility Security had better wages and benefits. We worked for the trade show companies. 9 bucks an hour and you have to have a clean record to get a security license. Meanwhile we are watching the people who build the booths and forklifts etc... Mostly union and many felons. Unions employ a lot of felons.
So how hard do you think I'm going to guard when we and the janitors who cleaned the bathrooms were at the lowest pay in the building, and the stool I'm sitting on costs as much for them to rent as my pay? Meanwhile, the people we are watching are making triple or more.
A better way maybe is say a certain percentage of automation to people. Then its always guaranteed to not take over. I hope they find a decision soon.
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