If you dig into FG, don‘t forget to consider the „source material“ for reference
Yes, thats how I always like to start my digs. I started reading Bible after finding Q to learn about Christianity and I read the Pfizer clinical study to really confirm that vaccines were neither effective, nor safe nor necessary. Source material is the best place to start for everything !
Will take a while since I still have a lot of Bible to go through, and in addition I have a huge backlog of reading material, but this is interesting so I will find time.
So on that site, what would be the base teachings / reference material? The look of the site is a bit disconcerting because it looks more like a political movement than a spiritual movement. What is the "bible" or the "scriptures" equivalent for FG ?
Also, do you think Xi played a role in Jiang's downfall?
The minghui site is indeed more the "activist" site - it's main purpose is a little bit that of an "Info-Hub" for both practitioners as well as people interested in the happenings around the practice and the persecution. Yes, it has a political appereance, but I don't consider it political, as its "political purpose" is shedding light on the still ongoing persecution and ways on how to counter it. In my understanding, it's "political" in the sense that it raises awareness about the human rights situation of the persecution. I mean, the persecution of the CCP is basically denying the right to exist to people in china who practice FG - and the persecution is deeply rooted in the CCP-culture. I have come to the conclusion, that the persecution cannot be ended anymore without ending the rule of the CCP itself. In my understanding, it isn't about political power, but simply being able to live life. Unfortunately, the CCP denies people (not only Falun Gong practitioners) to be able to just live.
For the more spiritual approach, where you can read about the teachings and also learn about the physical exercises, there's https://en.falundafa.org . Under "books and writings", you can download every teaching, lecture and also of course the main book, "Zhuan Falun".
The Book Zhuan Falun is basically the core of the teachings. Every other material, lecture, text, scripture, only further expands and explains what is explained in Zhuan Falun. The Book itself is a summary of the Teachings Li Hongzhi gave back in 94 to 96 in China (edit: sorry, wrong time. Correct timespan was 92 to 94), where he was holding large seminars to spread the practice and explain the teachings to the people. There are also audio- and video-recordings of the Lectures, with dubs in several languages.
There's also the Book "Falun Gong" - it was one of the first Falun Gong books published in China, even before "Zhuan Falun", and it doesn't go as deep into the teachings as Zhuan Falun, but the Falun Gong exercises are explained in that book.
If you can only read one material, Zhuan Falun is the main book and contains everything about the teachings of Li Hongzhi.
For easier reference, here is the list of books and teachings:
Zhuan Falun has been translated several times. Chinese is very nuanced (I unfortunately don't speak it myself), so different translations help to better grasp the meanings of the words. For a start, I recommend the latest translation, last upated July 31, 2019, as it might be easier understand for a western mindset. All the translations are valid though and have been checked and re-checked to make sure the original meaning of the text is not altered or warped in any form.
For Video, you can find the recording of a 9-Day seminar, held in the city of Guangzhou, under this link: https://en.falundafa.org/falun-dafa-video-audio-9session.html (you can also download the mp3 audio of this seminar on that page.). There is also a learning video for the 5 Falun Gong exercises.
Take care and take your time, and as mentioned, I'm here if you need me to discuss things and give my point of view/understanding.
My guess is, there is a high probabilty that yes, Xi might have been involved. But I have to admit, my knowledge of chinese politics isn't too deep or too thorough, and chinese politics is also very complicated.
IIRC, the CCP isn't as unifiyed as it may appear, and there are several factions in chinese politics. Jiang belonged to the "shanghai faction" and Xi to another... And they were (are?) pretty much at internal "war". I guess it's like US politics, but on stereoids.
And yeah, that's where my knowledge about it ends, so I'd rather not write more about it, as it would be unfounded.
IIRC, the CCP isn't as unifiyed as it may appear, and there are several factions in chinese politics. Jiang belonged to the "shanghai faction" and Xi to another... And they were (are?) pretty much at internal "war". I guess it's like US politics, but on stereoids.
Thanks for this. It confirms my own research that showed that the Shanghai faction was the Rockefeller-Soros backed and was supposed to be the transfer point for the Cabal financial system once the US was collapsed. This is why so many high tech companies got started in China, with so many tech billionnaires. They were all holding vessels for the Cabal wealth as the transfer was supposed to happen.
Xi faction, used by the WHs in the typical reverse-divide and conquer against the Cabal, was used to bring down this faction. I think Xi himself was much like Putin and Kim Jong Un - very much controlled by the proxies of other factions of the Cabal and Trump helped take down all these - Sanctions against Russia, Covert operations with NK and Tarrifs against Xi (Since China is essentially the financial and digital base for the NWO)
So far, what I am gathering about Falun Dafa is that its a reteaching of Quigong - which the spiritual practice of breathing techniques necessary for meditation and spiritual enlightenment, based from the teachings of Buddhism, which in itself is very closely related to the Pranayama in Hinduism which is also about attaining salvation through breathing meditation.
How would you rate this characterization of Li Hongzhi?
Li Hongzhi created a program that promises practitioners that they will have perfect health and supernatural powers quickly and easily.
BTW, there is very little in terms of background of Li Hongzhi. To be able to reeally teach the true spiritual aspects of Qigong, one would expect a student of a great master who practiced it for many decades. Somehow Li Hongzhi does not strike to be someone like that with my limited digging.
As for the political side, it looks like at least after 2000 it was captured by the CIA.
The Friends of Falun Gong - the organisation created by the "western friends" of the Falun Gong to help with their democracy activism etc, is the main funding source for Falun Gong and its organizations.
FoFG was founded by Mark Palmer who is also one of the founders of NED (National Endowment of Democracy). Public information and even information on their own website establishes that NED has been funding "democracy movements" around the world that leads to regime changes. Starting with Balkanisation of Yugaslovia, all the way even to the Maidan revolution which was a CIA coup in Ukraine. NED is the private arm of CIA via congressional funding to openly fund color revolutions. To put it mildly, NED is one of the cutouts for CIA for color revolutions.
There is definitely no doubt in my mind that atleast since 2000 Falun Gong has been subverted by the CIA as one of their arms of controlling China.
Li Hongzhi has all the hallmarks of a CIA character - much like Obama or Osama bin Laden, or Khomeini - suddenly comes out of nowhere, becomes hugely popular and generates a large following and causes huge controversies for the government in their country.
Timeline:
1989: Tianmen square - first color revolution attempt by CIA that failed
1992: Li Hongzhi starts teaching Falun Gong
1996: Falun Gong banned, Li Hongzhi moves to US.
2000: FoFG created to use CIA cutouts to fund Falun Gong and their organizations
Conclusion: Pretty good chance that Falun Gong originated as a fringe CIA project in 1992 that picked up so much steam that it was officially funded in 2000.
None of this however invalidates the core teachings of Qigong if one is purely interested in spiritual betterment.
None of this also means CCP is good or anything like that. Simple different poles of the same Hegelian dialectic.
I‘m a bit short of time right now, but will answer thouroughly when I have the time. Thank you for making me notice one mistake, the time period when Li Hongzhi was teaching Falun Gong thoroughly in China was indeed 92 to 94 and not as I‘ve written (I‘ll edit that in my last post).
It actually wouldn‘t / doesn‘t surprise me what you dug up on „Friends od Falun Gong“. But allow me to add here, that FoF clealry isn‘t Falun Gong itself. I think that‘s an important distinction. I have to dig on that myself.
Li Hongzhi clearly states in the teachings that no organization or entity can claim Falun Gong for itself and that practitioners have to be very clear of that.
About Li Hongzhis background: in the first translation of Zhuan Falun that I got, there is an abstract (not written by Li Hongzhi himself) about his spiritual upbringing. It was removed, because as I understand it, Li Hongzhi doesn‘t want Practitioners put emphasis on himself as Master/Teacher, but focus on the teachings and the personal cultivation following the teachings.
But allow me to add here, that FoF clealry isn‘t Falun Gong itself. I think that‘s an important distinction
Agreed, but dig into the fundings - not just for Falun Gong itself, but also to their dance company and the Epoch times.
BTW, one important distinction when I said NED is a CIA cutout for funding color revolutions. NED is the cutout for the neo-con side of the CIA. Very crudely, I think this is the Zionist controlled part of the Clowns.
That makes Falun Gong controllers Zionists. Now, this makes perfect sense when you see that Steve Bannon, who is a supporter of Falun Gong, has always oozed the "controlled by Zionist" vibes.
We are very close to the "Saving Israel for last" aka fall of the Zionists. What happens then? Will Falun Gong also get fully freed? I am thinking yes, but only after the Zionist puppets are expelled. In the same way, the Rockefeller controlled part of CCP will also crumble. I am expecting this to happen with some internal cleanup.
Either way, we are not too far away from the ending and the truth will become clear in due time.
One more thing, about the „Program“ that promises perfect health and supernormal powers: I would rate it „bullshit“, pardon my french.
Yes, practicing Falun Gong can have tremendous positive effect on health, and yes, supernormal powers may appear, but one of the most important aspects of practicing cultivation in Falun Gong is getting rid of attachments. So, when a person strives to get rid of health problems and when a person strives to get supernormal powers, he will not get it. Li Hongzhi states this very clearly in Zhuan Falun and other texts and lectures.
So it is pretty clear that what you cited is not from the source, but somewhere else…
but one of the most important aspects of practicing cultivation in Falun Gong is getting rid of attachments.
Li Hongzhi states this very clearly in Zhuan Falun and other texts and lectures.
Thanks for confirming this. This is the key part of Qigong or Pranayama/Vipassana etc meditation techniques. The goal has to always been letting go of attachments as the first and foremost priority. Atleast the teachings are not adulterated, I think.
Yes, thats how I always like to start my digs. I started reading Bible after finding Q to learn about Christianity and I read the Pfizer clinical study to really confirm that vaccines were neither effective, nor safe nor necessary. Source material is the best place to start for everything !
Will take a while since I still have a lot of Bible to go through, and in addition I have a huge backlog of reading material, but this is interesting so I will find time.
So on that site, what would be the base teachings / reference material? The look of the site is a bit disconcerting because it looks more like a political movement than a spiritual movement. What is the "bible" or the "scriptures" equivalent for FG ?
Also, do you think Xi played a role in Jiang's downfall?
The minghui site is indeed more the "activist" site - it's main purpose is a little bit that of an "Info-Hub" for both practitioners as well as people interested in the happenings around the practice and the persecution. Yes, it has a political appereance, but I don't consider it political, as its "political purpose" is shedding light on the still ongoing persecution and ways on how to counter it. In my understanding, it's "political" in the sense that it raises awareness about the human rights situation of the persecution. I mean, the persecution of the CCP is basically denying the right to exist to people in china who practice FG - and the persecution is deeply rooted in the CCP-culture. I have come to the conclusion, that the persecution cannot be ended anymore without ending the rule of the CCP itself. In my understanding, it isn't about political power, but simply being able to live life. Unfortunately, the CCP denies people (not only Falun Gong practitioners) to be able to just live.
For the more spiritual approach, where you can read about the teachings and also learn about the physical exercises, there's https://en.falundafa.org . Under "books and writings", you can download every teaching, lecture and also of course the main book, "Zhuan Falun".
The Book Zhuan Falun is basically the core of the teachings. Every other material, lecture, text, scripture, only further expands and explains what is explained in Zhuan Falun. The Book itself is a summary of the Teachings Li Hongzhi gave back in 94 to 96 in China (edit: sorry, wrong time. Correct timespan was 92 to 94), where he was holding large seminars to spread the practice and explain the teachings to the people. There are also audio- and video-recordings of the Lectures, with dubs in several languages.
There's also the Book "Falun Gong" - it was one of the first Falun Gong books published in China, even before "Zhuan Falun", and it doesn't go as deep into the teachings as Zhuan Falun, but the Falun Gong exercises are explained in that book.
If you can only read one material, Zhuan Falun is the main book and contains everything about the teachings of Li Hongzhi.
For easier reference, here is the list of books and teachings:
https://en.falundafa.org/falun-dafa-books.html?v=bks04
Zhuan Falun has been translated several times. Chinese is very nuanced (I unfortunately don't speak it myself), so different translations help to better grasp the meanings of the words. For a start, I recommend the latest translation, last upated July 31, 2019, as it might be easier understand for a western mindset. All the translations are valid though and have been checked and re-checked to make sure the original meaning of the text is not altered or warped in any form.
For Video, you can find the recording of a 9-Day seminar, held in the city of Guangzhou, under this link: https://en.falundafa.org/falun-dafa-video-audio-9session.html (you can also download the mp3 audio of this seminar on that page.). There is also a learning video for the 5 Falun Gong exercises.
Take care and take your time, and as mentioned, I'm here if you need me to discuss things and give my point of view/understanding.
Forgot your last question about Xi and Jiang.
My guess is, there is a high probabilty that yes, Xi might have been involved. But I have to admit, my knowledge of chinese politics isn't too deep or too thorough, and chinese politics is also very complicated.
IIRC, the CCP isn't as unifiyed as it may appear, and there are several factions in chinese politics. Jiang belonged to the "shanghai faction" and Xi to another... And they were (are?) pretty much at internal "war". I guess it's like US politics, but on stereoids.
And yeah, that's where my knowledge about it ends, so I'd rather not write more about it, as it would be unfounded.
Thanks for this. It confirms my own research that showed that the Shanghai faction was the Rockefeller-Soros backed and was supposed to be the transfer point for the Cabal financial system once the US was collapsed. This is why so many high tech companies got started in China, with so many tech billionnaires. They were all holding vessels for the Cabal wealth as the transfer was supposed to happen.
Xi faction, used by the WHs in the typical reverse-divide and conquer against the Cabal, was used to bring down this faction. I think Xi himself was much like Putin and Kim Jong Un - very much controlled by the proxies of other factions of the Cabal and Trump helped take down all these - Sanctions against Russia, Covert operations with NK and Tarrifs against Xi (Since China is essentially the financial and digital base for the NWO)
So far, what I am gathering about Falun Dafa is that its a reteaching of Quigong - which the spiritual practice of breathing techniques necessary for meditation and spiritual enlightenment, based from the teachings of Buddhism, which in itself is very closely related to the Pranayama in Hinduism which is also about attaining salvation through breathing meditation.
How would you rate this characterization of Li Hongzhi?
BTW, there is very little in terms of background of Li Hongzhi. To be able to reeally teach the true spiritual aspects of Qigong, one would expect a student of a great master who practiced it for many decades. Somehow Li Hongzhi does not strike to be someone like that with my limited digging.
As for the political side, it looks like at least after 2000 it was captured by the CIA. The Friends of Falun Gong - the organisation created by the "western friends" of the Falun Gong to help with their democracy activism etc, is the main funding source for Falun Gong and its organizations.
FoFG was founded by Mark Palmer who is also one of the founders of NED (National Endowment of Democracy). Public information and even information on their own website establishes that NED has been funding "democracy movements" around the world that leads to regime changes. Starting with Balkanisation of Yugaslovia, all the way even to the Maidan revolution which was a CIA coup in Ukraine. NED is the private arm of CIA via congressional funding to openly fund color revolutions. To put it mildly, NED is one of the cutouts for CIA for color revolutions.
There is definitely no doubt in my mind that atleast since 2000 Falun Gong has been subverted by the CIA as one of their arms of controlling China.
Li Hongzhi has all the hallmarks of a CIA character - much like Obama or Osama bin Laden, or Khomeini - suddenly comes out of nowhere, becomes hugely popular and generates a large following and causes huge controversies for the government in their country.
Timeline:
1989: Tianmen square - first color revolution attempt by CIA that failed
1992: Li Hongzhi starts teaching Falun Gong
1996: Falun Gong banned, Li Hongzhi moves to US.
2000: FoFG created to use CIA cutouts to fund Falun Gong and their organizations
Conclusion: Pretty good chance that Falun Gong originated as a fringe CIA project in 1992 that picked up so much steam that it was officially funded in 2000.
None of this however invalidates the core teachings of Qigong if one is purely interested in spiritual betterment.
None of this also means CCP is good or anything like that. Simple different poles of the same Hegelian dialectic.
Much to digest, thank you.
I‘m a bit short of time right now, but will answer thouroughly when I have the time. Thank you for making me notice one mistake, the time period when Li Hongzhi was teaching Falun Gong thoroughly in China was indeed 92 to 94 and not as I‘ve written (I‘ll edit that in my last post).
It actually wouldn‘t / doesn‘t surprise me what you dug up on „Friends od Falun Gong“. But allow me to add here, that FoF clealry isn‘t Falun Gong itself. I think that‘s an important distinction. I have to dig on that myself.
Li Hongzhi clearly states in the teachings that no organization or entity can claim Falun Gong for itself and that practitioners have to be very clear of that.
About Li Hongzhis background: in the first translation of Zhuan Falun that I got, there is an abstract (not written by Li Hongzhi himself) about his spiritual upbringing. It was removed, because as I understand it, Li Hongzhi doesn‘t want Practitioners put emphasis on himself as Master/Teacher, but focus on the teachings and the personal cultivation following the teachings.
More to come.
Agreed, but dig into the fundings - not just for Falun Gong itself, but also to their dance company and the Epoch times.
BTW, one important distinction when I said NED is a CIA cutout for funding color revolutions. NED is the cutout for the neo-con side of the CIA. Very crudely, I think this is the Zionist controlled part of the Clowns.
That makes Falun Gong controllers Zionists. Now, this makes perfect sense when you see that Steve Bannon, who is a supporter of Falun Gong, has always oozed the "controlled by Zionist" vibes.
We are very close to the "Saving Israel for last" aka fall of the Zionists. What happens then? Will Falun Gong also get fully freed? I am thinking yes, but only after the Zionist puppets are expelled. In the same way, the Rockefeller controlled part of CCP will also crumble. I am expecting this to happen with some internal cleanup.
Either way, we are not too far away from the ending and the truth will become clear in due time.
One more thing, about the „Program“ that promises perfect health and supernormal powers: I would rate it „bullshit“, pardon my french.
Yes, practicing Falun Gong can have tremendous positive effect on health, and yes, supernormal powers may appear, but one of the most important aspects of practicing cultivation in Falun Gong is getting rid of attachments. So, when a person strives to get rid of health problems and when a person strives to get supernormal powers, he will not get it. Li Hongzhi states this very clearly in Zhuan Falun and other texts and lectures.
So it is pretty clear that what you cited is not from the source, but somewhere else…
Thanks for confirming this. This is the key part of Qigong or Pranayama/Vipassana etc meditation techniques. The goal has to always been letting go of attachments as the first and foremost priority. Atleast the teachings are not adulterated, I think.