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Is this a Christian movement. Yes I know there R many that are and even some that don't yet say they are..and we invite them in all the same. So I'm curious how you all see things.
The Bible doesn't cause me any consternation.
I'm trying to understand exactly what people are implying when they say the US is a Christian nation.
If the basis of our country is Christian principles, then what exactly are those principles, and how are they exclusive to Christianity?
It's something that I see posted frequently, yet when I ask for specifics, people get defensive and clam up.
Well, for example, when Christians were trying to Christianize Germany, they had a very easy go of it for the most part, right up to āThou shalt not commit murder.ā
The Germans would just look at them and respond something like, ābut if he is a pussy why should I not kill him and take his things if I wantzink them? I mean, he ist dead now, and Deutschland ist stronker without ze pussy now, ja?ā
Presumably, in Spain they may have had similar problems with getting the women to stop having sex with dogs.
We also have tons of people now who are a-ok with lying. California is overrun by thieves, who āarenāt thievesā āas long as itās under $1,000ā.
And thatās just the Ten Commandments. Thereās a lot more, and not just the parts about āstop yer lusting and ābatin and pr0nā that we are stuck on right now.
Weāve been living in the Christian paradigm for so long that we donāt even notice it has been the Christian paradigm anymore, but the natural state of man is to go after what I want, right now, insofar as I can get away with it, no different than any other animal.
And why wouldnāt it be? If thereās no God, and thereās no soul (Iām going with the atheist view here, not say, Hindu), then as long as nobody kills me or successfully does something to me that I donāt like in response, whatās my problem with it?
Well, aside from the personal judgments that will be handed out before The Throne after death, it makes things go to hell in this world, now.
So holding those things as the legal and social standards, to some extent is what would make this a Christian nation, and it is what our laws were originally founded on.
Is that the sort of response you are looking for?
Laws against murder is not by any stretch of the imagination exclusive to Christianity.
The same thing with the Ten Commandments, save for the one about not worshipping other gods. Yet there are no laws forbidding people from worshipping other gods.
In fact, the first amendment gives us the right to worship who we choose, if we choose.
So right there the US Constitution contradicts the Bible.
I'm still looking for how the US being a Christian nation affects our lives. I really wish someone would answer this for me. What does it mean to you? I'm not talking about what our forefathers were doing when they were writing the Constitution. I'm talking about how it affects things now.
I get the impression that people subconsciously believe that Christians should get special, preferential treatment, but don't want to come out and say it. And there have been the odd few who think that only Christians should be allowed to live here.
Going to all the trouble of laying out all this trying to prove that the US is a Christian nation is pointless if there is no benefit in it for Christians.
The fact that we are currently in a place where the entire world has been invited inside our walls without our consultation does complicate things, but what do you mean by special treatment?
I think we understand that some/all types of Islam have trouble coexisting with other religions. Where Christianity will just debate you and talk to you, Islam may occasionally decide to remove heads or tax the unconverted at 90% rates. If the special treatment is not being forced to convert to Islam or die, then yes, we would generally like that special treatment.
There are real issues with thinking everyone can just live together in close proximity with any sort of population/culture mixture and under the same laws while strumming guitars around a campfire. The feeling on that front is likely mutual between abortion clinic operators and evangelical pastors, for instance.
Well, for instance, when a 100 foot tall statue of a Hindu monkey god goes up in a land, Christians believe that place is cursed. When child sacrifice is prevalent in any area, those people have a tendency to get wiped out hard.
So yes, the benefit is that Godās wrath doesnāt hit us like 2lb lugnut hailstones falling from the sky, which we donāt like.
We also believe we should be able to raise our children praying in school, which was the case until the 1960s (and in some places, even to the 80ās and 90ās)
You might argue that the curse is all in our minds, we would argue that you are seeing the early judgments of those curses play out in front of your eyes right now, and without repentance they will get much worse.
Do you believe that only Christians should live here? Or simply exclude Muslims?
This is the type of thing I mean about special treatment. I'm going to go out on a limb and say you would not be happy if schools started having school wide Islamic prayers every school day. Yet you wish for the return of school led praying for Christians. I think that's a very good example of what I mean by special treatment.
Haha so, one fault you should point out with us when we say that is, āYouāre pleading with men for mercy, why arenāt you pleading with your God instead if heās so powerful and youāre so faithful?ā
And youād be right in pointing that out, though it certainly puts you in the bad position of Pharaoh, but thatās only important if itās real, I guess.
Frankly I think some people need that kick, so you could consider it a public service.
I also like Charlie Kirkās answer to this:
https://YouTube.com/watch?v=R-NiQ4YhYNk
That isnāt necessarily what it has to mean or will mean going forward, but it is definitely included in what it has meant.
I just mentioned this in a comment above. Thank you for posting this. Itās really a great quick easy way to explain to people that yesā¦ Our country was built on Christianity. The fact that anybody even has to ask that, kind of makes me feel like theyāre a little bit retarded.
Charlie Kirk has a video of him debating a college student and his answer is a chefs kiss. I wish I could find it to send it to you.