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Income Tax Debate (files.catbox.moe)
posted 1 year ago by Dogsoldier2 1 year ago by Dogsoldier2 +170 / -0
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– Rooks 1 point 1 year ago +1 / -0

Not trying to be argumentative and you do have a point.

Just bringing up 2 things:

  1. Absolute statements are frequently wrong. You used the word always, so just letting you know in this case saying "always" isn't true.

  2. Years ago gov. Mitchell Daniels was not a perfect Governor of Indiana, but he solved a LOT of issues, including the issue of the 80/90 toll road across the northern part of the state. The state had run it for years, done some crappy leases, and the solutions never worked. Terrible roads and draining money from the state. Mis-management galore. So Daniels comes in and says, OK, we've given the state a chance, others chances, were gonna lease private at no profit ("for a dollar") and be done. He was almost lynched for it, but proof was in the pudding.

He said just sit and watch, and while yes, the state didn't make money, it stopped losing money too. The private firms came through and the roads were fixed and became better.

After all that complaining his reply was something similar to, it's not costing taxpayer money and the roads are fixed and safe. What's the problem?

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– Grady_Wilson 1 point 1 year ago +1 / -0

I still stand by my 'always' statement.

The solution of giving sweetheart deals to private companies, that are campaign donors quite often, is ignoring the extremely poorly run DOT Depts in most states.

How about we fix the Depts that are funded to maintain and build roads so they can effectively use our tax money, instead of making political insiders money?

As I mentioned, the vast majority of these tolls roads are not adequately maintained towards the end of their terms and the state is left with the enormous costs of performing needed repairs once the right of way has been handed back to the state.

If we are going to privatize DOT duties then let's do it. But let's not allow a DOT to be utterly broken and then ''solve' the problem with partial privatization.

Partial privatization results in each party pointing fingers at the other when something goes catastrophically wrong, with the the state usually footing the bill.

The example you gave 'solved' the problem while allowing the much bigger problem to fester and worsen.

As I mentioned, I worked in a state DOT dept that dealt with these issues, we studied programs in other states to come up with solutions and all of these 'solutions' ignored the systemic problems in the DOT system.

BTW - Merry Christmas, Fren!

Hope you had a wonderful Christmas with family and friends.

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– Rooks 2 points 1 year ago +2 / -0

Merry Christmas to you too fren!

Thank you for the elaboration, I understand your point about the DOT situation now.

Agreed, that should have been made to work better, so yes.

I guess you could then say my story goes to illustrate how a solution was found for a problem dispite gov't incompetency. 🤔

Yes I agree with you. Would have been better to solve the root problem.

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