Well no. A criminal record is just that. A record. A record of someone being charged and convicted of a crime in a court of law.
Doing something illegal doesn't mean someone has a criminal record. If so, we would all have criminal records, because there is not one person here who has never committed a crime. Speeding is a crime. Jay walking is a crime in some places.
This is not the "gotcha" people think it is. And it's kind of embarrassing that people don't know that a criminal record is more than just someone breaking a law.
You're confusing common laws vs federal. How many years have you spent in prison vs how much was your ticket/court cost. Sneaking into a country, esp America, is not the same as jay walking. That’s breaking federal laws. And you don’t have to be convicted. If your an illegal, that’s being convicted. Doesn’t require a court.
You're confusing common laws vs federal. How many years have you spent in prison vs how much was your ticket/court cost.
I'm not sure what you mean here. Do you mean state laws vs federal? Because I think traffic laws are under state laws. Either way, it doesn't really matter, because the terms "criminal record" and "illegal act" don't change depending on if they fall under being a federal crime or a state crime.
I don't think you understood my point in regards to the speeding and jaywalking examples. My point was virtually everyone here has done something illegal at least once in their life, yet everyone does not have a criminal record. That's because not everyone is caught doing whatever illegal thing it is they're doing, and even if they're caught it does not mean they automatically charged with a crime and then found guilty in order to have a criminal record. Because, yet again, a criminal record does not mean the same as doing something illegal.
I honestly can't believe I have to explain this.
I'm not saying all crimes are equal.
I'm saying that the term "criminal record" means something more than just doing something illegal.
I don't think you understand what the word "convicted" means, either.
And you don’t have to be convicted. If your an illegal, that’s being convicted.
That doesn't make any sense.
I think you're confusing "guilty" with "convicted". Someone can be guilty of a crime without being convicted of it. Conversely, someone can be convicted of a crime without being guilty of it. For instance, President Trump may have been convicted of sexual abuse, but that doesn't mean he was guilty of it.
Doesn’t require a court.
Well, if it's talking about a criminal record, then yes, it does require a court. Because courts of law are where people are found guilty of crimes and where those crimes are recorded. As in a a record of a criminal activity. As in a criminal record. See, that's where it gets the name. Did you never make that association before?
No matter how you spin it, words have definitions for a reason. If we all just made up our own definitions for things, the world would devolve into chaos.
You’re overthinking this like crazy. It’s simple. I’m trying to dumb this down for you and I’m having problems doing so. Ok….umm , if I snuck into Russia tomorrow, then got caught by their forces of anti illegal immigration, am I innocent, by law..their law, and therefore cannot be guilty of anything…..you see this? Do you understand? THEY ARE NOT LEGAL CITIZENS. Once again you are confusing the situation. Citizens cannot be guilty of being illegal citizens. In Russia, I’m guilty. It’s not a civil issue, it’s federal. No courts. No jury. Guilty. I’m guilty as soon as I snuck through the window. No due process of the justice system, I’m not a citizen. If I broke into your home, got caught, I go to court, guilty, punishment, etc. A ILLEGAL doesn’t get this same treatment. Why would they? They are not citizens. I explained in my other post by different levels of justice, civil, federal, etc. But the reason why a illegal is a criminal, with now a record, is because they are ILLEGALLY here, and now we document them(record them) and send them packing. Which gives a record.
And even worse is what we have. Illegals with a criminal record, which shouldn’t even be a real thing. But it is. That’s how bad our situation is. Our justice system process then as citizens. They killed and raped, processed like they lived here. Most countries wouldn’t even have to follow their own laws and could bury them out back. Our illegals are getting fair treatment and being delivered still breathing. For now. Many won’t go that easy because our corrupt system protected them. Which is against the laws of this land.
No, I'm really not. It's simply understanding very simple concepts, such as words having meaning.
What's going on here is people wanting to just ignore facts in favor of their feelings.
But the reason why a illegal is a criminal, with now a record, is because they are ILLEGALLY here, and now we document them(record them) and send them packing. Which gives a record
You don't even realize you're making my point for me.
Maybe if you got a pencil, and a piece of paper, and wrote down all the key words and phrases, and looked up the definition of each of them and made a Venn Diagram based on those definitions, you might begin to understand. (Spoiler: sometimes the circles don't overlap).Or maybe not. I fear you're a lost cause.
Well no. A criminal record is just that. A record. A record of someone being charged and convicted of a crime in a court of law.
Doing something illegal doesn't mean someone has a criminal record. If so, we would all have criminal records, because there is not one person here who has never committed a crime. Speeding is a crime. Jay walking is a crime in some places.
This is not the "gotcha" people think it is. And it's kind of embarrassing that people don't know that a criminal record is more than just someone breaking a law.
You're confusing common laws vs federal. How many years have you spent in prison vs how much was your ticket/court cost. Sneaking into a country, esp America, is not the same as jay walking. That’s breaking federal laws. And you don’t have to be convicted. If your an illegal, that’s being convicted. Doesn’t require a court.
I'm not sure what you mean here. Do you mean state laws vs federal? Because I think traffic laws are under state laws. Either way, it doesn't really matter, because the terms "criminal record" and "illegal act" don't change depending on if they fall under being a federal crime or a state crime.
I don't think you understood my point in regards to the speeding and jaywalking examples. My point was virtually everyone here has done something illegal at least once in their life, yet everyone does not have a criminal record. That's because not everyone is caught doing whatever illegal thing it is they're doing, and even if they're caught it does not mean they automatically charged with a crime and then found guilty in order to have a criminal record. Because, yet again, a criminal record does not mean the same as doing something illegal.
I honestly can't believe I have to explain this.
I'm not saying all crimes are equal.
I'm saying that the term "criminal record" means something more than just doing something illegal.
I don't think you understand what the word "convicted" means, either.
That doesn't make any sense.
I think you're confusing "guilty" with "convicted". Someone can be guilty of a crime without being convicted of it. Conversely, someone can be convicted of a crime without being guilty of it. For instance, President Trump may have been convicted of sexual abuse, but that doesn't mean he was guilty of it.
Well, if it's talking about a criminal record, then yes, it does require a court. Because courts of law are where people are found guilty of crimes and where those crimes are recorded. As in a a record of a criminal activity. As in a criminal record. See, that's where it gets the name. Did you never make that association before?
No matter how you spin it, words have definitions for a reason. If we all just made up our own definitions for things, the world would devolve into chaos.
You’re overthinking this like crazy. It’s simple. I’m trying to dumb this down for you and I’m having problems doing so. Ok….umm , if I snuck into Russia tomorrow, then got caught by their forces of anti illegal immigration, am I innocent, by law..their law, and therefore cannot be guilty of anything…..you see this? Do you understand? THEY ARE NOT LEGAL CITIZENS. Once again you are confusing the situation. Citizens cannot be guilty of being illegal citizens. In Russia, I’m guilty. It’s not a civil issue, it’s federal. No courts. No jury. Guilty. I’m guilty as soon as I snuck through the window. No due process of the justice system, I’m not a citizen. If I broke into your home, got caught, I go to court, guilty, punishment, etc. A ILLEGAL doesn’t get this same treatment. Why would they? They are not citizens. I explained in my other post by different levels of justice, civil, federal, etc. But the reason why a illegal is a criminal, with now a record, is because they are ILLEGALLY here, and now we document them(record them) and send them packing. Which gives a record.
And even worse is what we have. Illegals with a criminal record, which shouldn’t even be a real thing. But it is. That’s how bad our situation is. Our justice system process then as citizens. They killed and raped, processed like they lived here. Most countries wouldn’t even have to follow their own laws and could bury them out back. Our illegals are getting fair treatment and being delivered still breathing. For now. Many won’t go that easy because our corrupt system protected them. Which is against the laws of this land.
Hope this helps.
No, I'm really not. It's simply understanding very simple concepts, such as words having meaning.
What's going on here is people wanting to just ignore facts in favor of their feelings.
You don't even realize you're making my point for me.
Maybe if you got a pencil, and a piece of paper, and wrote down all the key words and phrases, and looked up the definition of each of them and made a Venn Diagram based on those definitions, you might begin to understand. (Spoiler: sometimes the circles don't overlap).Or maybe not. I fear you're a lost cause.