You're confusing common laws vs federal. How many years have you spent in prison vs how much was your ticket/court cost. Sneaking into a country, esp America, is not the same as jay walking. That’s breaking federal laws. And you don’t have to be convicted. If your an illegal, that’s being convicted. Doesn’t require a court.
You're confusing common laws vs federal. How many years have you spent in prison vs how much was your ticket/court cost.
I'm not sure what you mean here. Do you mean state laws vs federal? Because I think traffic laws are under state laws. Either way, it doesn't really matter, because the terms "criminal record" and "illegal act" don't change depending on if they fall under being a federal crime or a state crime.
I don't think you understood my point in regards to the speeding and jaywalking examples. My point was virtually everyone here has done something illegal at least once in their life, yet everyone does not have a criminal record. That's because not everyone is caught doing whatever illegal thing it is they're doing, and even if they're caught it does not mean they automatically charged with a crime and then found guilty in order to have a criminal record. Because, yet again, a criminal record does not mean the same as doing something illegal.
I honestly can't believe I have to explain this.
I'm not saying all crimes are equal.
I'm saying that the term "criminal record" means something more than just doing something illegal.
I don't think you understand what the word "convicted" means, either.
And you don’t have to be convicted. If your an illegal, that’s being convicted.
That doesn't make any sense.
I think you're confusing "guilty" with "convicted". Someone can be guilty of a crime without being convicted of it. Conversely, someone can be convicted of a crime without being guilty of it. For instance, President Trump may have been convicted of sexual abuse, but that doesn't mean he was guilty of it.
Doesn’t require a court.
Well, if it's talking about a criminal record, then yes, it does require a court. Because courts of law are where people are found guilty of crimes and where those crimes are recorded. As in a a record of a criminal activity. As in a criminal record. See, that's where it gets the name. Did you never make that association before?
No matter how you spin it, words have definitions for a reason. If we all just made up our own definitions for things, the world would devolve into chaos.
You’re overthinking this like crazy. It’s simple. I’m trying to dumb this down for you and I’m having problems doing so. Ok….umm , if I snuck into Russia tomorrow, then got caught by their forces of anti illegal immigration, am I innocent, by law..their law, and therefore cannot be guilty of anything…..you see this? Do you understand? THEY ARE NOT LEGAL CITIZENS. Once again you are confusing the situation. Citizens cannot be guilty of being illegal citizens. In Russia, I’m guilty. It’s not a civil issue, it’s federal. No courts. No jury. Guilty. I’m guilty as soon as I snuck through the window. No due process of the justice system, I’m not a citizen. If I broke into your home, got caught, I go to court, guilty, punishment, etc. A ILLEGAL doesn’t get this same treatment. Why would they? They are not citizens. I explained in my other post by different levels of justice, civil, federal, etc. But the reason why a illegal is a criminal, with now a record, is because they are ILLEGALLY here, and now we document them(record them) and send them packing. Which gives a record.
And even worse is what we have. Illegals with a criminal record, which shouldn’t even be a real thing. But it is. That’s how bad our situation is. Our justice system process then as citizens. They killed and raped, processed like they lived here. Most countries wouldn’t even have to follow their own laws and could bury them out back. Our illegals are getting fair treatment and being delivered still breathing. For now. Many won’t go that easy because our corrupt system protected them. Which is against the laws of this land.
No, I'm really not. It's simply understanding very simple concepts, such as words having meaning.
What's going on here is people wanting to just ignore facts in favor of their feelings.
But the reason why a illegal is a criminal, with now a record, is because they are ILLEGALLY here, and now we document them(record them) and send them packing. Which gives a record
You don't even realize you're making my point for me.
Maybe if you got a pencil, and a piece of paper, and wrote down all the key words and phrases, and looked up the definition of each of them and made a Venn Diagram based on those definitions, you might begin to understand. (Spoiler: sometimes the circles don't overlap).Or maybe not. I fear you're a lost cause.
Well ok then. You agree. Criminals with a record. See, easy. Press Secretary was spot on. And the reporter with his loaded question of trying to legalize them, failed. As does anyone trying to justify an illegal citizen anything other than a criminal. And I’m sure some are good people. But sneaking into my house window isn’t how someone enters my home. Hopefully lessons being learned.
In most countries, a criminal record is limited to unexpunged and unexpired actual convictions (where the individual has pleaded guilty or been found guilty by a qualified court, resulting in the entry of a conviction), while in some it can also include arrests, charges dismissed, charges pending and charges of which the individual has been acquitted.
I don't care enough to lookup if the US is one of said countries, but this at least puts fourth a common understanding of what "criminal record" means.
Yes. Thank you. It points out that a person has to have at least some sort of official interaction with the legal system in order to be considered to have a criminal record. Yet again, that whole definition of the word "record".
Just because a person is an illegal alien and is here illegally doesn't mean they've ever been looked at sideways by anyone in law enforcement, much less arrested or charged with anything.
You're confusing common laws vs federal. How many years have you spent in prison vs how much was your ticket/court cost. Sneaking into a country, esp America, is not the same as jay walking. That’s breaking federal laws. And you don’t have to be convicted. If your an illegal, that’s being convicted. Doesn’t require a court.
100%
I'm not sure what you mean here. Do you mean state laws vs federal? Because I think traffic laws are under state laws. Either way, it doesn't really matter, because the terms "criminal record" and "illegal act" don't change depending on if they fall under being a federal crime or a state crime.
I don't think you understood my point in regards to the speeding and jaywalking examples. My point was virtually everyone here has done something illegal at least once in their life, yet everyone does not have a criminal record. That's because not everyone is caught doing whatever illegal thing it is they're doing, and even if they're caught it does not mean they automatically charged with a crime and then found guilty in order to have a criminal record. Because, yet again, a criminal record does not mean the same as doing something illegal.
I honestly can't believe I have to explain this.
I'm not saying all crimes are equal.
I'm saying that the term "criminal record" means something more than just doing something illegal.
I don't think you understand what the word "convicted" means, either.
That doesn't make any sense.
I think you're confusing "guilty" with "convicted". Someone can be guilty of a crime without being convicted of it. Conversely, someone can be convicted of a crime without being guilty of it. For instance, President Trump may have been convicted of sexual abuse, but that doesn't mean he was guilty of it.
Well, if it's talking about a criminal record, then yes, it does require a court. Because courts of law are where people are found guilty of crimes and where those crimes are recorded. As in a a record of a criminal activity. As in a criminal record. See, that's where it gets the name. Did you never make that association before?
No matter how you spin it, words have definitions for a reason. If we all just made up our own definitions for things, the world would devolve into chaos.
You’re overthinking this like crazy. It’s simple. I’m trying to dumb this down for you and I’m having problems doing so. Ok….umm , if I snuck into Russia tomorrow, then got caught by their forces of anti illegal immigration, am I innocent, by law..their law, and therefore cannot be guilty of anything…..you see this? Do you understand? THEY ARE NOT LEGAL CITIZENS. Once again you are confusing the situation. Citizens cannot be guilty of being illegal citizens. In Russia, I’m guilty. It’s not a civil issue, it’s federal. No courts. No jury. Guilty. I’m guilty as soon as I snuck through the window. No due process of the justice system, I’m not a citizen. If I broke into your home, got caught, I go to court, guilty, punishment, etc. A ILLEGAL doesn’t get this same treatment. Why would they? They are not citizens. I explained in my other post by different levels of justice, civil, federal, etc. But the reason why a illegal is a criminal, with now a record, is because they are ILLEGALLY here, and now we document them(record them) and send them packing. Which gives a record.
And even worse is what we have. Illegals with a criminal record, which shouldn’t even be a real thing. But it is. That’s how bad our situation is. Our justice system process then as citizens. They killed and raped, processed like they lived here. Most countries wouldn’t even have to follow their own laws and could bury them out back. Our illegals are getting fair treatment and being delivered still breathing. For now. Many won’t go that easy because our corrupt system protected them. Which is against the laws of this land.
Hope this helps.
No, I'm really not. It's simply understanding very simple concepts, such as words having meaning.
What's going on here is people wanting to just ignore facts in favor of their feelings.
You don't even realize you're making my point for me.
Maybe if you got a pencil, and a piece of paper, and wrote down all the key words and phrases, and looked up the definition of each of them and made a Venn Diagram based on those definitions, you might begin to understand. (Spoiler: sometimes the circles don't overlap).Or maybe not. I fear you're a lost cause.
Well ok then. You agree. Criminals with a record. See, easy. Press Secretary was spot on. And the reporter with his loaded question of trying to legalize them, failed. As does anyone trying to justify an illegal citizen anything other than a criminal. And I’m sure some are good people. But sneaking into my house window isn’t how someone enters my home. Hopefully lessons being learned.
Unless this definition is just plain wrong: Criminal Record
I don't care enough to lookup if the US is one of said countries, but this at least puts fourth a common understanding of what "criminal record" means.
Yes. Thank you. It points out that a person has to have at least some sort of official interaction with the legal system in order to be considered to have a criminal record. Yet again, that whole definition of the word "record".
Just because a person is an illegal alien and is here illegally doesn't mean they've ever been looked at sideways by anyone in law enforcement, much less arrested or charged with anything.
Glad we cleared that up.