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Majority of Finns actually opposed joining NATO unlike the USAID funded Internet Survey said (media.scored.co)
posted 1 year ago by Chukna 1 year ago by Chukna +171 / -0
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– You-Rope-Ah 13 points 1 year ago +13 / -0

Please note that OP is a Russian shill.

Here is a resent survey about the Finns' opinion on NATO:

Nine out of ten are positive about Finland’s membership in NATO The ABDI asked for the first time views on membership in NATO since Finland joined the Alliance in April 2023.

Nine out of ten hold a positive view, half or 51 per cent are very positive about it while over one third or 37 per cent hold a fairly positive view.

Eighty-eight per cent of men and 87 per cent of women hold a positive view. Of those over 50 years of age, 91 per cent think this way; of the 35 to 49 years of age 88 per cent; of those younger than 25 years of age 82 per cent and of the 25 to 34 years of age 81 per cent are of this opinion.

Ninety-nine per cent of Coalition Party supporters are in favour of the membership while 92 per cent of Finns Party supporters, 91 per cent of Centre Party and SDP supporters, 89 per cent of Green Party supporters and 67 per cent Left Alliance supporters share this view.

Nine per cent have a negative attitude towards membership in NATO, ten per cent of women and eight per cent of men. Thirteen per cent of 25 to 34-year-olds have a negative opinion, twelve per cent of under 25-year-olds, nine per cent of 35 to 49-year-olds and six per cent of over 50-year-olds share this view.

Twenty-nine per cent of Left Alliance supporters, seven per cent of Finns Party and SDP supporters, six per cent of Centre Party supporters and four per cent of Green Party supporters hold a negative view. There are no negative views on Finland’s membership among Coalition Party supporters. Three per cent of both women and men have no opinion.

Source: https://julkaisut.valtioneuvosto.fi/handle/10024/165385 (Finns` opinions on foreign and security policy, national defence and security)

PLM_2024_3.pdf

Pages 11-12.

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– fiskaren 10 points 1 year ago +10 / -0

His post schedule matches Russian/Chinese office hours too, always starting 3am in the morning Finnish time, there's no way he's stationed in Finland.

Doesn't even speak the language, always using google translate which adds a pathetic stutter to everything he say, maybe he stutters when he speak in real life, but why would he do it in text here if he wasn't a shill.

Notice how everything he posts is a duplicate, everything is posted both here on GAW and on PDW, like clockwork.

Almost everything he posts is a screenshot, or a X post to make it harder to track the original source. On most charts he cut out the information providing context, at least after the first few times he spammed the same lies if called out too much.

Now he even us alts to boost his message, I've seen handshakes appearing out of nowhere, replying to me just seconds after I reply to him, with responses having the same spelling errors and grammar mistakes he normally has when he get butt hurt over getting called out for his lies.

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– You-Rope-Ah 8 points 1 year ago +8 / -0

Yeah, he is either a very useful idiot with a shitty sleep schedule, or he gets paid to post this garbage. No way he is a native Finn.

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– fiskaren 5 points 1 year ago +5 / -0

Definitely paid, although the question is who's paying him, his working hours suggest somewhere in east Russia or China, could be either Russia or CCP paying him, or maybe even some obscure USAID shill factory. The goal is clear tho, divide and conquer. He want Europeans and Americans to hate each other.

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– MathDoesntAddUp 4 points 1 year ago +4 / -0

I'm pretty sure he's American. Maybe you should stop making an ass out of yourself by assuming.

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– You-Rope-Ah 8 points 1 year ago +8 / -0

I base my assumptions on his comment history.

https://communities.win/c/TheDonald/p/19AdSSByIy/x/c/4ZJ3lrFe7eQ

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– fiskaren 7 points 1 year ago +7 / -0

Europoor crying because the US is going to pull out of NATO soon?

USA has no allies, Europeans are parasites

It is also wishlist from here in Finland. We don't want US troops here.

Finland like all European countries are parasites

No real Finn or American talks like that. It's obvious he's a shill.

And you look like his alt, otherwise you wouldn't show up out of nowhere defending him even after getting evidence of his shill activity.

The two Finns in this post accusing the OP of being Russian are likely the ones paid to truly spread misinformation.

You can fuck off too pussy. Considering the US subsidizes you mother fuckers constantly.

Same exact language, and insanely butt hurt on his behalf. I never insulted you so why are you so offended?

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– MathDoesntAddUp 3 points 1 year ago +3 / -0

You do realize that, 2 hours ago is 645am Eastern Standard Time, right? Most of America's east coast is up around that time.

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– fiskaren 5 points 1 year ago +5 / -0

So you're his alt then. Everyone else understands that I'm talking about his posting patterns in general, not specifically this post.

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– MathDoesntAddUp 1 point 1 year ago +1 / -0

You're one retarded mother fucker. I'm no one's alt.

You can find patterns in everything. For instance, I find that from your posting, you're 100% retarded.

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– Chukna [S] 1 point 1 year ago +1 / -0

You're delusional.

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– MathDoesntAddUp 5 points 1 year ago +5 / -0

Seems like you're the shill. Posting USAID bullshit.

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– You-Rope-Ah 9 points 1 year ago +9 / -0

Nope, I am here only to warn about OP's bullshit. Please be aware of anti-NATO Russian shills.

As a Finn, I personally don't care whether we are in the NATO or not, because Finland already has a strong alliance with the rest of the Nordic countries.

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– Chukna [S] 3 points 1 year ago +3 / -0

Have you seen what forum you're on? This is anti-NATO forum.

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– gardinstong 9 points 1 year ago +9 / -0

Spreading lies doesn't support your narrative bozo.

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– MathDoesntAddUp 5 points 1 year ago +5 / -0

Bro you can't be pro-NATO and MAGA it's impossible.

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– Chukna [S] 3 points 1 year ago +3 / -0

Taloustutkimus who carried this survey is funded by USAID.

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– You-Rope-Ah 8 points 1 year ago +8 / -0

I would love to see a credible source for this claim.

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– Chukna [S] 3 points 1 year ago +3 / -0

This image and claim is from Panu Huuhtanen's tweet. Panu Huuhtanen is a Finnish journalist.

The picture shows the difference in results regarding the @NATO support of Finns, when the state leadership rushed through membership without asking the people.

The upper 'result' is produced by a commercial research institute, one of which was already revealed to be #USAID - funded.

The lower number is the result freely given by Finns using their own bank codes (identification).

There are approximately the same number of participants in both, 1000-2000. https://x.com/HuuhtanenPanu/status/1891416919397314721

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– You-Rope-Ah 7 points 1 year ago +7 / -0

It seems that Panu Huuhtanen is a "reporter" with a little blog called Reformi-studio, which has not had a new post in two years, and their YouTube channel seems to be pretty inactive, too.

I did not see any mention of Taloustutkimus Oy on USASpending.gov, nor did I find the actual survey the tweet is referring to, but that might just be because I am shit at using Twitter/X.

What I did find, however, was this little Kansalaisaloite (Citizens' initiative) petition for Finland to join NATO, that was set up a day after Russia attacked Ukraine.

This website does require an actual ID verification.

https://www.kansalaisaloite.fi/fi/aloite/9997 ("Suomen haettava NATO-jäsenyyttä perustuslaissa säädettyjen ihmisoikeusvelvoitteiden toteuttamiseksi" - "Finland must apply for NATO membership in order to fulfill its constitutional human rights obligations")

The title is complete hippie garbage, but the petition collected over 50K verified signatures from Finnish citizens in a week.

And then there is this one:

https://www.kansalaisaloite.fi/fi/aloite/9866 (Suomen Nato-jäsenyydestä kansanäänestys" - "Referendum on Finland's membership of NATO")

The petition was set up in the 21st of February, 2022, so just a few days before Russia attacked Ukraine. This petition stemmed from the rising tension on the Baltic Sea.

For the first few days, the amount of signatures was just a few thousand, but after the attack, the amount of verified signatures jumped to 76K in less than 2 weeks. Granted, there is probably a lot of overlap with the signatures between the two petitions, but it is clear that the attitude towards NATO changed very quickly after the attack.

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