This is rich. From a community who thinks Joe Biden is an actor, comes the belief that, contrary to the witnesses in the bunker, his delegation to Doenitz, and his refusal of escape to Speer, Hitler somehow hopped in a time machine, escaped, threw of the effects of his drug dependence, and schlepped off to Argentina. How do these "eyewitnesses" know it was Hitler, and how could that possibly be verified? A Nazi coin could come only from Hitler, when there were other Nazis around? CIA photographs? Did they take his fingerprints, or was it an alleged identification? Stalin's intelligence? Yet they retained his remains? (The woman's skull was undoubtedly that of Eva Braun, who was buried with him.)
Plenty of conspiracy theories are total bunk from beginning to end: Moon Hoax, chemtrails, Flat Earth, Nazi UFOs, 9/11 demolition. Something being a conspiracy theory means nothing about its truth value. The Soviets captured Berlin, so the U.S. had no options about Hitler's fate. We do have at least half a dozen witness memoirs, however, and proof of official communications up to the end. And if you are talking about the Peenemunde team under Von Braun, there were no war crimes attributable to them. Just one (1) was found later to have a dubious history and was sent back to Germany. The Army had them busy designing and developing Redstone and Jupiter missiles. Then the Apollo program came along and they designed and developed the Saturn V. Without them, we would not have been first to the Moon, a feat of civilization.
It's interesting how you threw in the time machine aspect. This is a method the CIA would use in arguments to spin conspiracy theories as even crazier, even though no one brought it up.
You do it again by tying it together with Chemtrails and flat earth conspiracies.
But, to the subject at hand. The biggest issue with believing Hitler died in his bunker is that the Soviets discovered his remains and secretly buried them. But then have Stalin not believe his own forces alleged discovery based on other intelligence.
I'm just pointing out the absurdity of a claim of Hitler's wherabouts and whenabouts that is disproven by the historical record. Only a time machine (an impossibility) could make it work. And this is the problem of a good many "conspiracy theories." "Chemtrails", Moon Hoax, and Flat Earth are all conspiracy theories. So, if you are going to wrap "conspiracy theories" to your bosom, you get to nuzzle with all of them, including the absurd ones. There is no issue about Hitler when you have multiple eyewitness testimony to the sequence of events. Maybe Stalin was of a similar view, preferring the weight of hard evidence to the indeterminacy of "intelligence." He was not a believing sort of guy.
Covid from a Wuhan bio lab was just a conspiracy. The CIA killing JFK was just a conspiracy. Election fraud was just a conspiracy. Hunters Biden's laptop was a conspiracy theory. Gulf of Tonkin incident false flag was a conspiracy theory. The covid vax not being safe and effectivewas just a conspiracy throry. MKUltra was just a conspiracy theory. No WMD's in Iraq was just a conspiracy theory. US Bio labs in Ukraine was just a conspiracy theory.
I could go on. By your own logic, we must also wrap these conspiracy theories up together. I think I like the track record of these compared to the few really fringe ones. It's an absurd notion to think like this, because you are attempting to frame rules that all conspiracy theories are just as far fetched as the flat earth conspiracy. Again, a CIA tactic to discredit.
All of the so called eye witnesses were subordinates of Hitler. Have you ever thought they were ordered to say Hitler died in his bunker to cover for his escape?
Yes, there are conspiracy theories that are true. And there are conspiracy theories that are not. Logic: Just because a conspiracy theory EXISTS does not mean it is TRUE. And most of the items you mentioned as theories were discovered facts, not theories. My logic is intact. A conspiracy theory is true when it is discovered to be true. And the flaky ones will never be discovered as truth. You are misreading my point, since I did not make any blanket statement predicting whether theories are true. I did make a blanket statement saying that their truth cannot be expected on the basis of their existence alone. You really must agree with that one.
As for the witnesses, that question has come up. But these are all autobiographical accounts, written individually many years after the events, and they agree in all particulars. Who are you to claim the witnesses are liars? Are you going to make a blanket rule that ALL WITNESSES ARE LIARS? Hard to fake the message sent to Doenitz the day before his death. Hard for him to issue commands into the month of April, if he was supposed to have left months earlier. Albert Speer decided to disobey Hitler's last order on 20 April to commit a scorched earth policy; why should he have felt compelled to obey an order to lie about Hitler's death when he saw him last on the 22nd, and it was clear that Hitler was staying for the end, having refused his offer of a flight out? The "Hitler escaped to Argentina" theory explains nothing. All it amounts to is a contention that "The Argentina Escape is the only truth. Any statements to the contrary are lies." It is no more than reality denial.
You need to recognize your vested interest in that theory being true.
This is rich. From a community who thinks Joe Biden is an actor, comes the belief that, contrary to the witnesses in the bunker, his delegation to Doenitz, and his refusal of escape to Speer, Hitler somehow hopped in a time machine, escaped, threw of the effects of his drug dependence, and schlepped off to Argentina. How do these "eyewitnesses" know it was Hitler, and how could that possibly be verified? A Nazi coin could come only from Hitler, when there were other Nazis around? CIA photographs? Did they take his fingerprints, or was it an alleged identification? Stalin's intelligence? Yet they retained his remains? (The woman's skull was undoubtedly that of Eva Braun, who was buried with him.)
Plenty of conspiracy theories are total bunk from beginning to end: Moon Hoax, chemtrails, Flat Earth, Nazi UFOs, 9/11 demolition. Something being a conspiracy theory means nothing about its truth value. The Soviets captured Berlin, so the U.S. had no options about Hitler's fate. We do have at least half a dozen witness memoirs, however, and proof of official communications up to the end. And if you are talking about the Peenemunde team under Von Braun, there were no war crimes attributable to them. Just one (1) was found later to have a dubious history and was sent back to Germany. The Army had them busy designing and developing Redstone and Jupiter missiles. Then the Apollo program came along and they designed and developed the Saturn V. Without them, we would not have been first to the Moon, a feat of civilization.
It's interesting how you threw in the time machine aspect. This is a method the CIA would use in arguments to spin conspiracy theories as even crazier, even though no one brought it up.
You do it again by tying it together with Chemtrails and flat earth conspiracies.
But, to the subject at hand. The biggest issue with believing Hitler died in his bunker is that the Soviets discovered his remains and secretly buried them. But then have Stalin not believe his own forces alleged discovery based on other intelligence.
I'm just pointing out the absurdity of a claim of Hitler's wherabouts and whenabouts that is disproven by the historical record. Only a time machine (an impossibility) could make it work. And this is the problem of a good many "conspiracy theories." "Chemtrails", Moon Hoax, and Flat Earth are all conspiracy theories. So, if you are going to wrap "conspiracy theories" to your bosom, you get to nuzzle with all of them, including the absurd ones. There is no issue about Hitler when you have multiple eyewitness testimony to the sequence of events. Maybe Stalin was of a similar view, preferring the weight of hard evidence to the indeterminacy of "intelligence." He was not a believing sort of guy.
Covid from a Wuhan bio lab was just a conspiracy. The CIA killing JFK was just a conspiracy. Election fraud was just a conspiracy. Hunters Biden's laptop was a conspiracy theory. Gulf of Tonkin incident false flag was a conspiracy theory. The covid vax not being safe and effectivewas just a conspiracy throry. MKUltra was just a conspiracy theory. No WMD's in Iraq was just a conspiracy theory. US Bio labs in Ukraine was just a conspiracy theory.
I could go on. By your own logic, we must also wrap these conspiracy theories up together. I think I like the track record of these compared to the few really fringe ones. It's an absurd notion to think like this, because you are attempting to frame rules that all conspiracy theories are just as far fetched as the flat earth conspiracy. Again, a CIA tactic to discredit.
All of the so called eye witnesses were subordinates of Hitler. Have you ever thought they were ordered to say Hitler died in his bunker to cover for his escape?
Yes, there are conspiracy theories that are true. And there are conspiracy theories that are not. Logic: Just because a conspiracy theory EXISTS does not mean it is TRUE. And most of the items you mentioned as theories were discovered facts, not theories. My logic is intact. A conspiracy theory is true when it is discovered to be true. And the flaky ones will never be discovered as truth. You are misreading my point, since I did not make any blanket statement predicting whether theories are true. I did make a blanket statement saying that their truth cannot be expected on the basis of their existence alone. You really must agree with that one.
As for the witnesses, that question has come up. But these are all autobiographical accounts, written individually many years after the events, and they agree in all particulars. Who are you to claim the witnesses are liars? Are you going to make a blanket rule that ALL WITNESSES ARE LIARS? Hard to fake the message sent to Doenitz the day before his death. Hard for him to issue commands into the month of April, if he was supposed to have left months earlier. Albert Speer decided to disobey Hitler's last order on 20 April to commit a scorched earth policy; why should he have felt compelled to obey an order to lie about Hitler's death when he saw him last on the 22nd, and it was clear that Hitler was staying for the end, having refused his offer of a flight out? The "Hitler escaped to Argentina" theory explains nothing. All it amounts to is a contention that "The Argentina Escape is the only truth. Any statements to the contrary are lies." It is no more than reality denial.
You need to recognize your vested interest in that theory being true.