What would Jesus do?
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Its originally a Gnostic concept, not Marcionism, Its arguable weather Marcion was a Gnostic or not. Marcion believed Jesus was not human, I do and so do the Gnostics. I lean toward Gnosticism.
I can't take anyone's argument seriously when they label something as heresy. Its a close minded. Orthodoxy believe that the Christian Faith and the Church are inseparable. It is impossible to know Christ, to share in the life of the Holy Trinity, or to be considered a Christian, apart from the Church. It is in the Church that the Christian Faith is proclaimed and maintained. I can't think of a better way to stifle free thought and control religious freedom than to subscribe to Orthodoxy and fear being called a Heretic, go use your Fear based rhetoric somewhere else. It carries no meaning for my scholarly pursuits. Your a sheep, being lead to slaughter by your shepherd. [Q Post #290/#998]
Moses also followed YHWH (“I Am, that I Am”)
So. He follows a god that is so deceitful he won't give us his real name? If you know a Demon's name you can control them and cast them out. [Mark:5-9-10]
Who, specifically was Jesus speaking to?
His Father. I could ask you the same question, because no where in the New Testament does it refer to Yhwh by name, unlike the Old Testament. All we know is he is speaking to his father.
Who were they?
See above.
How would Jesus have denounced his own house?
I take it you mean Why not How. I'll take House to mean the Jews in general and not Judah and to go against Yhwh and his laws. Mathew 12:9-14, John 8:1-11, Mark 7:19, ect, ect.
Whose character had they adopted? (They were already far from written Torah practice)
Can you clarify? I have no clue to what you're referring.
I'll take that you mean by my current state as awakened to the false teachings of the R.C.C. that high jacked Christianity and metastasized throughout all Christian based Churches and their doctrine. You are on a Q board you should know this, unless you are just here to preach fire and brimstone and virtue signal as I suspect. You should know that 10000000000000000000000000000000000000% of Churches are compromised through NGO's from this Q board.
And by trample you mean, I would totally crush your Orthodoxy arguments.
Honestly, this statement set the tone for my entire reply. Not very Christian of you. You Fraud. And on Easter none the less. Typical.
Prove it. 100% Bullshit if you can't prove it. I really don't care what you believe you lost all credibility with me as soon as you said Heresy. You are "Fire and Brimstone", preaching fear
That's False.
You sure as hell can.
How about NO!
How about we just let people believe what they want to, instead of force feeding them your regurgitated points of view. How about we admit that no one knows a 10000000000000000000000000% if God exists. How about we just have a friendly debate to find the holes in our own augments and respect other beliefs, but I think thats to much to ask from an Orthodox Christian who thinks he has a mission to proselytize and convert everyone into a free-thinkers nightmare.
I believe in most of Jesus' teachings, weather from the Bible or Gnostic texts, is that not enough for you, I need to agree with your Orthodoxy 100000000000000000%, you'd make a great democrat, why don't you go back and re-examine your foundational principles and understandings. The R.C.C. would love to have you become a democrat to complete your orthodoxy. Idiot.
First time I’ve ever been called orthodox… maybe in my life. I am neither, RCC, nor Orthodox, nor do I claim a Protestant Denomination.
For now…
… I’ll grant you that it was (unintentionally, though I should have realized it) rude. So, apologies for that, though I’m entering into “God is a demon” as a starting point, and I’ve never had a good conversation with a gnostic/Marcion on this subject, which colored my response as well (not your fault, obviously). Will try to address the rest later.
While I was rude, by the same note you applied to me… you did move on to do exactly what I said, which isn’t precisely the best way to prove that it wouldn’t happen…
Not that it justifies my entering the discussion on a preconceived wrong foot, which is to say, a reboot is probably justified and in order for any continuance.
And you have just received an apology on the internet.
There you go, God job, you are forgiven and we can reboot. I'm been guilty of the same situation. Let's move on.
If you call something Heresy, by definition it's unorthodox. Something I strive to be. May I ask what you consider yourself then? I study all myths and religions to form my beliefs, nothing is heresy to me.
My First One.
I'm guessing Winn guided you here? Our thread was getting out of hand, my last reply to him took me close to three hours. Im sure he had it and was being kind by passing it on to you, I don't know? Something we might want to be aware of and try to limit responses to as short as possible. I think its better to do a bunch of short responses rather than one long response. Do you agree?
I don’t think I have energy for anything else, which is why it’s taken me days to get to this twice now 😆 And yes, I was tagged a few posts back.
I am a Christian who does not like there being denominations, while understanding how they got to be, and who believes the OT should still be followed, even though the penalties have been removed through fulfillment at the cross.
Where I was going with my poorly worded comment was that if you think the God of the OT (and NT) is evil, simply proving that Jesus claimed Him and was sent by Him won’t do anything to resolve the underlying issue, which is why you think He is evil.
Care to provide some examples?
Does that mean you concede, Jesus never claims Yhwh as his Father by name, that there is no biblical evidence for Yhwh being Jesus’ Father? Say Uncle ;)
To be clear, I think OT Yhwh is evil, and Is never named in the NT. I do not think Yhwh is Jesus’ father, Jesus is human and an enlighten being, a bringer of light, all humans are capable of good and evil.
I'm guessing you mean, examples where Jesus is evil?
This would become a very long discussion, but in the short, I have a problem with what Jesus says in John 6, the Eucharist is a cannibalistic, blood sacrifice.
I gotta wonder what Jesus was doing in the Garden of Gethsemane, getting arrested at 4am with a naked kid. [Mark 14:52] Screaming "Im not a Pirate" [Mark 14:48]
Honestly, those two examples I have to wonder how much of the NT has been altered to fit the R.C.C. needs. I haven't squared them yet.
See my reply, the one before this one. For the evils of Yhwh.