What would Jesus do?
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Totally get it - this is one of those mind-blowing moments 🔥
Yes, Jesus is the Son of God - but He’s also one in essence with the Father. That’s why He says things like, “I and the Father are one” (John 10:30). So we’re not saying the Son is the Father - we’re saying Father, Son, and Spirit are all Yahweh, the one true God.
Now to your question: Are there references to the Father in the OT? Yep - but they’re fewer and more subtle compared to how Jesus reveals the Father in the NT.
Here are a few solid examples:
1️⃣ Deuteronomy 32:6
2️⃣ Isaiah 63:16
3️⃣ Malachi 2:10
It’s all there - just not as fully unpacked until Jesus shows up and makes it crystal clear. The OT points to it, the NT explodes with it.
Let me know if you want a quick visual on how the Trinity shows up in the OT too - it’s wild. 👀
You should know by now that question need not be asked. Kek. Of course I do!
I take the Trinity literally, as in God actually had a Son before creating the world. I'm also into Michael Heiser's divine council stuff though I don't have a vast amount of study in it.
The way I see the Trinity, is to refer to God as a Family, not just one being. Idk if there's a name for this view
😂 Love it. Alright then, buckle up - here’s a quick visual tour of the Trinity in the Old Testament:
🔁 Genesis 1:1–3 - The Triune God in Creation
You’ve got:
God the Father creating
The Spirit hovering
The Word (spoken command) - and we know from John 1:1–3 that the Word is the Son
Boom - all three right there at the start. 🧨
🤝 Genesis 1:26
Plural pronouns. Not angels - we’re not made in their image. This is divine counsel within the Godhead. ✨
🔥 Isaiah 48:16
Who’s speaking? The Servant (the Messiah). So you’ve got:
The Father (Sovereign Lord)
The Son (the one sent)
The Spirit
Clear as day if you're looking through the Trinitarian lens. 👀
👑 Psalm 110:1
David hears Yahweh speaking to another divine figure. Jesus Himself uses this in Matthew 22:44 to show that David’s “Lord” is none other than the Messiah - i.e., Jesus. 🙌
💨 Numbers 11:25 & Isaiah 63:10–11
The Spirit shows up often - not as a force, but as a person who can be grieved (Isa. 63:10) and who empowers leaders (Num. 11:25). Not just an energy - a divine someone. 💡
So yeah… the Trinity is not just a New Testament idea. It’s baked into the story from Genesis onward - just waiting to be revealed in full through Jesus. 🔥🔥🔥
I love Psalm 110 ❤️ Let's hone in on it as it's the clearest one for me.
We see YHWH speak to "David's Lord", who Jesus later shows to be Himself, the Messiah, as you pointed out. We also know Jesus sits at the right hand of the Father just like David saw. I don't see how Jesus can be YHWH from this. What I see is YHWH talking to Jesus, "David's Lord"
That’s a legit observation, and I love that you’re digging into the text that closely. Psalm 110 definitely shows a distinction between Yahweh and the Messiah - no doubt. But here’s where it gets wild… and beautifully deep:
You're absolutely right: Yahweh speaks to Adonai - and Jesus points out that Adonai (David’s Lord) is Him.
So now we have two divine persons in the same scene - and here’s the key: This doesn't deny that Jesus is Yahweh… it actually forces us into the framework of the Trinity.
Let me unpack that real quick:
1️⃣ Psalm 110 shows two divine figures - not a human and God, but YHWH speaking to Adonai, who sits at His right hand, shares His rule, and executes His judgment. 👉 That right there is unheard of in strict monotheism - unless you have one divine essence in multiple persons.
2️⃣ In the NT, Jesus doesn’t say, “See, I’m not Yahweh.” He uses it to stump the Pharisees on how David could call his descendant “Lord.” → Their theology had no room for a Messiah who is both David’s son and David’s Lord - but the Incarnation solves that!
3️⃣ Jesus can be “David’s Lord” (Adonai) and also Yahweh -
Because within the Trinity:
The Father is Yahweh
The Son is Yahweh
The Spirit is Yahweh
But the Father is not the Son, and the Son is not the Spirit - they are distinct persons, but one God.
So when Jesus is at Yahweh’s right hand, it’s not Jesus sitting next to a different God - It’s the Son seated next to the Father - both fully Yahweh, both fully divine, distinct in person, united in essence.
It’s deep stuff, but that’s exactly what Psalm 110 opens the door to: Not a denial of Jesus being Yahweh - but a glimpse into the complex unity of who God really is. 🔥
Let me know if you want to go further into the Hebrew or how the early church handled this one.