Late to this whole chain, but that's how I've always interpreted it. Jesus is both. He is the human incarnate of God himself. The man is not God but the spirit is.
This is why the self sacrifice is so significant. It's literally God showing the world he sacrificed himself for his children. Which is prophesied in Genesis as Latetotheshow highlighted. The initial moment of creation also foretell that this event would occur at some point on the timeline. This is how the fallen knew that Christ would be born at some point before as well.
I suppose the forms of matter example would apply here. God is all three forms: Gaseous, liquid, and solid. E.g. Water. It never ceases being H2O even considering evaporation, it's form of matter just fluctuates and adapts. Becoming something else while remaining the same on an elemental level.
I ran that last part through an AI, I knew that sounded familiar:
Modalism, also known as Sabellianism, is a theological view that suggests that God is one being who has revealed Himself in three different modes or forms—often illustrated with analogies like water (solid as ice, liquid as water, and gas as steam). This view posits that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are not distinct persons but rather different manifestations of a single divine presence.
Modalism is considered a heresy by mainstream Christianity because it denies the distinct personal relationships between the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit as asserted in the traditional Christian doctrine of the Trinity. The orthodox view maintains that the three persons of the Trinity are co-equal and co-eternal, each fully God in their own right, rather than simply different modes of a single divine entity.
I don't strongly oppose it, I've organically considered similar things myself. However with further understanding I do think I lean towards the distinct persons. I think the Father and Jesus are different beings who share the same nature
Wow interesting. Yes, that sums it up. I've never heard it discussed or preached in person, it's just the interpretation my brain came up with after my own experiences and reading of various gospels and works.
The orthodox view maintains that the three persons of the Trinity are co-equal and co-eternal, each fully God in their own right, rather than simply different modes of a single divine entity.
This last bit, I can understand the difference of course. Yet, why can it not be both at the same time? E.g. Yes all individual but could it also not be three different manifestations of the same entity due to constructs of our own perception such as time?
Seems like I recall this being described in various apocryphal texts or actually contextualize by various older Christian sects such as Ethiopian or other similar gnostic sects. Sorry, I'm half awake at the moment. But thank you for the reply!
In truth I don't think it matters what designs our minds can come up with to explain God. It's the acceptance of Christ and what's in our hearts & souls and how we use that force for cause/effect while alive on this Earth.
In truth I don't think it matters what designs our minds can come up with to explain God. It's the acceptance of Christ
Absolutely. I think it's a heresy to say that not believing in the Trinity is a heresy. Yet the majority of christians believe that. People were even burned alive over it.
Yet, why can it not be both at the same time? E.g. Yes all individual but could it also not be three different manifestations of the same entity due to constructs of our own perception such as time?
It is at this point where my mind begins to melt, so I shall refrain from attempting to go any further 😂 I've tried to break this barrier before, I ended up stressed out and perplexed
Late to this whole chain, but that's how I've always interpreted it. Jesus is both. He is the human incarnate of God himself. The man is not God but the spirit is.
This is why the self sacrifice is so significant. It's literally God showing the world he sacrificed himself for his children. Which is prophesied in Genesis as Latetotheshow highlighted. The initial moment of creation also foretell that this event would occur at some point on the timeline. This is how the fallen knew that Christ would be born at some point before as well.
I suppose the forms of matter example would apply here. God is all three forms: Gaseous, liquid, and solid. E.g. Water. It never ceases being H2O even considering evaporation, it's form of matter just fluctuates and adapts. Becoming something else while remaining the same on an elemental level.
I ran that last part through an AI, I knew that sounded familiar:
I don't strongly oppose it, I've organically considered similar things myself. However with further understanding I do think I lean towards the distinct persons. I think the Father and Jesus are different beings who share the same nature
Wow interesting. Yes, that sums it up. I've never heard it discussed or preached in person, it's just the interpretation my brain came up with after my own experiences and reading of various gospels and works.
This last bit, I can understand the difference of course. Yet, why can it not be both at the same time? E.g. Yes all individual but could it also not be three different manifestations of the same entity due to constructs of our own perception such as time?
Seems like I recall this being described in various apocryphal texts or actually contextualize by various older Christian sects such as Ethiopian or other similar gnostic sects. Sorry, I'm half awake at the moment. But thank you for the reply!
In truth I don't think it matters what designs our minds can come up with to explain God. It's the acceptance of Christ and what's in our hearts & souls and how we use that force for cause/effect while alive on this Earth.
Absolutely. I think it's a heresy to say that not believing in the Trinity is a heresy. Yet the majority of christians believe that. People were even burned alive over it.
It is at this point where my mind begins to melt, so I shall refrain from attempting to go any further 😂 I've tried to break this barrier before, I ended up stressed out and perplexed