A Major Truth About the Gospel this Sunday :)
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Interesting questions. I responded, but deleted my reply as I wanted to spend more effort on my response.
Question: Did an adult lie to them first? Did Dad steal a cookie from the cookie jar and tell his daughter not to tell Mom? Do Mom and Dad model good character themselves?
I had the most beautiful grand daughter 16 mos ago. When you look at them and marvel at God's gift to my son's family, I don't, no I won't accept, that she was "born a sinner". I won't go in to my past, but the whole fire and brimstone sh*t and then you can be forgiven, well that's a different subject. But this saying is part of it.
I've been researching "language" and how it's used. Visualize a baby with "Born a Sinner" label written on her forehead. That's straight up manipulation to me. You can preach to me all you (not you Fren, but the general you out there) want. Nothing would make me back down that position. Have you ever visualized the most beautiful gift God can give you and a response is, "we're all born sinners?"
Society doesn't become immoral from babies. It works by osmosis, imo from current society. How many clueless parents model bad behavior?
Because we've been lied to about everything, maybe my perspective will resonate with others and instead of starting our lives from a negative light of being "sinners", maybe we can start from an affirming and uplifting dimension.
A couple counterpoints if I may: Firstly The child hasn't yet sinned, its an inclination to sin that's is inherent.
God's most beautiful gift is forgiveness. We all can have it, its on you to accept it (and its rather uplifting)
Lastly everything isnt a lie there are plenty sure but not everything (thinking that way when its untrue is very uplifting)
God bless you and your children and theirs
TY for engaging. I understand the first point, but let's change the language to something that's appropriately defined. It's a deceptive statement. When will the sin happen? Being born a sinner is a different statement than we all have a propensity to sin after birth.
Yes, God is uplifting, but first we should call a newborn baby a sinner. Beat me down so I can lift you up? I have a long history in the church and, to me, it's about control. God is different than the church (little c intended).
You are correct as nothing is 100%, but the majority was lies, is lies, and will continue for generations unless we the people take our world back. ❤️
I appreciate the conversation, Fren. I so enjoy being a grandparent. I look back and wonder how I ever did everything. So glad to be off that hamster wheel.
May God bless you and yours.
People are born idiots, we have to recognize this to be able to something about it. No fault of your own but your cross to bear. Sin is much the same.
As for control yeah many churches lean heavy that way. Which were you in if i may ask?
And the lies wont stop but we can get better at seeing them
Well Fren, we disagree. I don't believe any baby is born a sinner OR an idiot.
Born means to come into existence. I believe when they are born it's a clean slate.