One key point I brought up in that RealID comment a few days ago was - what changed between when the bill originally passed and what seems to have been eventually implemented?
I’ve seen some claims, but nobody’s done a dig that I saw. That’d be a good start. We should know what we are talking about on these things.
Good point. I'll have to do some more digging later. A quick search yields:
The Real ID Act of 2005 was originally intended to establish federal standards for state-issued identification documents in response to the 9/11 Commission's recommendations. The original proposal, as outlined in the Intelligence Reform and Terrorism Prevention Act (IRTPA) of 2004, called for the Secretary of Transportation to form a negotiated rulemaking committee with state governments and the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) to set standards for identification documents and prohibit federal agencies from accepting non-compliant documents.
However, the Real ID Act, introduced as H.R. 418 in February 2005, deviated from this initial plan. Instead of negotiating standards with the states, the Act set these standards directly, bypassing state input. The bill also included significant changes to U.S. immigration law, covering asylum, border security, and deportation, which were not part of the original IRTPA provisions.
The Act was appended as a rider to an omnibus spending bill, H.R. 1268, which was passed by the House but had the Real ID Act removed by the Senate. The Senate added sections regarding visas for workers and passed the bill. The final version, agreed upon in a conference report merging both versions, was signed into law by President George W. Bush on May 11, 2005.
The original intent of the Real ID Act was to enhance security by standardizing identification documents, but it faced widespread opposition and delays in implementation. Enforcement of the identification document provisions was initially scheduled for 2008 but was repeatedly postponed. By 2020, all states were certified as compliant, and enforcement based on identification documents began on May 7, 2025, with full enforcement scheduled to begin on May 5, 2027.
In summary, while the original intent of establishing federal standards for identification documents remained, the Real ID Act of 2005 diverged from the initial proposal by setting standards directly without negotiation and incorporating broader immigration-related provisions. The implementation timeline also saw significant delays compared to the original expectations.
Note the “By 2020, all states were certified as compliant”.
Unless someone was paying attention to this for 15 years, and knew exactly what to do to avoid getting one when they renewed their driver’s license (which I’m sure a very small number of people did, but not many), and with regard to the ”retards” comment the other day, most likely over 95% of Americans already have a RealID. Maybe higher than that, and I’d wager that number is over 50% even on this conspiracy forum.
(To put it another way, if your drivers license has a gold star in the top right, you already have a RealID, and anyone who didn’t explicitly know the path to circumvent getting one when they renewed their driver’s license over the past 5-8 years already has one - hence my comment on “let’s say you have one, how do you opt back out and what are the impacts of doing so?)
One key point I brought up in that RealID comment a few days ago was - what changed between when the bill originally passed and what seems to have been eventually implemented?
I’ve seen some claims, but nobody’s done a dig that I saw. That’d be a good start. We should know what we are talking about on these things.
Good point. I'll have to do some more digging later. A quick search yields:
The Real ID Act of 2005 was originally intended to establish federal standards for state-issued identification documents in response to the 9/11 Commission's recommendations. The original proposal, as outlined in the Intelligence Reform and Terrorism Prevention Act (IRTPA) of 2004, called for the Secretary of Transportation to form a negotiated rulemaking committee with state governments and the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) to set standards for identification documents and prohibit federal agencies from accepting non-compliant documents.
However, the Real ID Act, introduced as H.R. 418 in February 2005, deviated from this initial plan. Instead of negotiating standards with the states, the Act set these standards directly, bypassing state input. The bill also included significant changes to U.S. immigration law, covering asylum, border security, and deportation, which were not part of the original IRTPA provisions.
The Act was appended as a rider to an omnibus spending bill, H.R. 1268, which was passed by the House but had the Real ID Act removed by the Senate. The Senate added sections regarding visas for workers and passed the bill. The final version, agreed upon in a conference report merging both versions, was signed into law by President George W. Bush on May 11, 2005.
The original intent of the Real ID Act was to enhance security by standardizing identification documents, but it faced widespread opposition and delays in implementation. Enforcement of the identification document provisions was initially scheduled for 2008 but was repeatedly postponed. By 2020, all states were certified as compliant, and enforcement based on identification documents began on May 7, 2025, with full enforcement scheduled to begin on May 5, 2027.
In summary, while the original intent of establishing federal standards for identification documents remained, the Real ID Act of 2005 diverged from the initial proposal by setting standards directly without negotiation and incorporating broader immigration-related provisions. The implementation timeline also saw significant delays compared to the original expectations.
Note the “By 2020, all states were certified as compliant”.
Unless someone was paying attention to this for 15 years, and knew exactly what to do to avoid getting one when they renewed their driver’s license (which I’m sure a very small number of people did, but not many), and with regard to the ”retards” comment the other day, most likely over 95% of Americans already have a RealID. Maybe higher than that, and I’d wager that number is over 50% even on this conspiracy forum.
go here https://www.cchfreedom.org/national-id/
Note, per your link, it’s apparently not just stupid people that have Real ID’s.
All red states no less.
(To put it another way, if your drivers license has a gold star in the top right, you already have a RealID, and anyone who didn’t explicitly know the path to circumvent getting one when they renewed their driver’s license over the past 5-8 years already has one - hence my comment on “let’s say you have one, how do you opt back out and what are the impacts of doing so?)
You can still revert back to a non real Id and you can also fly without one. More here https://www.cchfreedom.org/national-id/
Thanks! This needs more visibility and discussion.