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Say farewell to the AI bubble, and get ready for the crash (www.latimes.com) 🗣️ DISCUSSION 💬
posted 290 days ago by Dogsoldier2 290 days ago by Dogsoldier2 +149 / -0
Commentary: Say farewell to the AI bubble, and get ready for the crash
The AI frenzy has been fueled by relentless hype, but the dud launched by OpenAI has its former enthusiasts wondering if they've been taken.
www.latimes.com
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– MAG768720 3 points 289 days ago +3 / -0

Its not that it has no scope, but the scope is umlimited.

False.

While in THEORY the scope might seem limitless, it will in reality ALWAYS have limits.

Did we go to the Moon?

How would an AI computer answer this historical question?

Would it draw from an "approved database" of information?

Would it accept data from multiple databases that conflict with each other? How would it resolve the conflict? WOULD it resolve the conflict?

Humans cannot agree on how to resolve this and similar conflicts, so how would a computer that processes 1's and 0's do it?

If by "AI" we are ONLY talking about computers that can process data faster or more efficiently, then sure, it has its use. A computer programmer can write code much faster with AI -- and some companies are firing coders because they don't need them to do as much as before.

There will be some uses, for sure.

BUT ... human intelligence is all about (a) taking concrete ideas, then (b) imagining some abstract concept that can utilize those concrete ideas, then (c) applying that abstract concept back to existing and/or new concrete ideas.

This is what IQ tests measure: the ability to apply abstract concepts to concrete data.

Computers can ONLY process concrete data. They can also do it much faster and more efficiently than humans. BUT they CANNOT come up with NEW abstract ideas on their own. THAT requires human input.

Thus, they are not "intelligent," in a human sense; therefore, the term "artificial intelligence" is a LIE.

This is the crux of the problem, because the tyrannical mind wants to push this false narrative that the computer is actually intelligent, when it is not.

And this is the danger -- a danger that Sam Altman (according to Elon Musk) does not care about whatsoever, which means he and others like him will continue to push for tyrannical control, using AI as the false tool to push a harmful agenda.

Faster and more efficient to process data? Sure.

But that IS its limit.

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– bubble_bursts 1 point 289 days ago +1 / -0
> Did we go to the Moon?

How would an AI computer answer this historical question?

We should never use AI to draw conclusions for us. It should not be used to make judgements nor to provide opinions.

AI should be used as a tool to gather as much data as it can provide but we need to trust our own human instincts and our own judgement. That is purely human domain.

If you want to know whether we went to the Moon or not you would ask the AI to provide evidence for both arguments and you can further drill into each of these evidences, until you have a good idea to be able to make that judgement yourself.

If you really want to answer this question, i would say that it would take anywhere from a week to a few weeks to do a thorough investigation using Grok.

Here is a good starting point. As you can see there are strong evidence for both sides of the argument, which means you have a lot of work cut out to come to the conclusion of either one or another. You will have to spend days drilling into each of these evidences and further figuring out what it takes to refute each of them on both sides and see what stands for sure.

Once you have eliminated all the impossibilities, whatever option remains, no matter how improbably, is the truth. And AI will definitely help you do that as long as you have the time, energy and patience for this.

What are some of the strongest evidence that points to the fact that the Apollo indeed land on moon?

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1. Lunar Retroreflectors   Apollo astronauts from missions 11, 14, and 15 placed laser ranging retroreflector arrays (LRRRs) on the Moon's surface. These devices reflect laser beams fired from Earth back to their origin, allowing precise measurements of the Earth-Moon distance. Independent observatories worldwide, such as the Observatoire de la Côte d'Azur in France, McDonald Observatory in Texas, Apache Point Observatory in New Mexico, and Haleakalā Observatory in Hawaii, have successfully detected and used these reflectors since their deployment—including detections made shortly after the missions (e.g., Apollo 11's reflector was detected by Lick Observatory on August 1, 1969, while the crew was still returning). The reflectors continue to function today, providing ongoing data for scientific research. This evidence is irrefutable because it requires physical hardware on the Moon, and the precise photon return patterns match small, man-made objects rather than natural lunar surface reflections. 

2. Moon Rock Samples   The Apollo missions returned approximately 382 kilograms (842 pounds) of lunar rocks and soil, which have been analyzed by hundreds of independent scientists and laboratories around the world (unaffiliated with NASA). These samples exhibit unique characteristics impossible to replicate on Earth or fake, such as an age of up to 4.5 billion years (older than any Earth rocks by about 200 million years), a composition lacking water or atmospheric exposure, and isotopic ratios matching the Moon's origin from solar system materials. For instance, a rock from Apollo 17 was dated to 4.417 billion years old by researchers at Curtin University in Australia. The samples also closely match those collected by the Soviet Union's unmanned Luna probes, providing cross-verification from a rival space program during the Cold War. 

3. Images from Independent Lunar Probes   Non-U.S. spacecraft have photographed the Apollo landing sites, showing clear evidence of human activity such as disturbed soil, descent stages, rovers, and astronaut footprints. Examples include:Japan's SELENE (Kaguya) probe in 2008, which captured images of lighter, disturbed dust at the Apollo 15 site, matching Apollo-era photos.
India's Chandrayaan-1 (2008) and Chandrayaan-2 (2019) orbiters, with the latter releasing a high-resolution image of the Apollo 11 Lunar Module descent stage at Tranquility Base in 2021.
China's Chang'e 2 probe (2010), which identified traces of Apollo hardware and rover tracks.
South Korea's Danuri orbiter (launched 2022), which has imaged Apollo sites.
   These international missions, conducted by countries with no incentive to perpetuate a U.S. "hoax," provide visual confirmation independent of NASA. 


4. Independent Tracking and Monitoring During Missions   The Soviet Union, a geopolitical rival, closely tracked all Apollo missions using radar and intelligence equipment from their Space Transmissions Corps, confirming NASA's reports without dispute—if faked, they would have exposed it for propaganda value. Amateur radio operators and observatories worldwide also independently detected transmissions and calculated orbits. For example:Bochum Observatory in Germany recorded Apollo 11 signals without the typical NASA communication artifacts.
Jodrell Bank Observatory in the UK tracked Apollo 11 alongside the Soviet Luna 15 probe.
Radio amateurs like Larry Baysinger in the U.S. and others in Europe captured live astronaut transmissions using home-built equipment.
   Additionally, the Soviet RATAN-600 radio telescope detected signals from Apollo Lunar Surface Experiments Packages (ALSEPs) in 1977, matching NASA's reported coordinates and power outputs. 

5. Photographs from NASA's Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter (LRO)   While NASA-operated, the LRO (launched in 2009) has provided ultra-high-resolution images of all Apollo landing sites, visible to the public and verifiable by experts. These show descent modules, scientific instruments, rover tracks, and footprints persisting in the airless lunar environment. Combined with the international probe images above, this forms a comprehensive visual record that debunks claims of staging, as the sites match historical Apollo data exactly. 

What are some of the reasonable doubts to consider that there may have been attempt to fake the moon landings?

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1. The American Flag Appears to "Wave" in a Vacuum   Skeptics point to video footage where the flag planted on the Moon seems to flutter or move as if in a breeze, which they argue is impossible in the Moon's airless environment. This suggests the scene was filmed on Earth in a studio with wind or fans. The doubt arises from the intuitive expectation that fabric should hang limp without air, leading some to question if the entire extravehicular activity (EVA) was staged. 

2. No Stars Visible in Photographs   Apollo photos show a black sky with no stars, despite the Moon lacking an atmosphere that scatters light. Theorists claim this is evidence of a hoax, as stars should be brightly visible, and their absence might indicate NASA forgot to add them to a faked backdrop or that the images were taken under studio lights on Earth. This doubt seems reasonable to some because everyday experience on Earth (e.g., stargazing) contrasts with the photos. 


3. Inconsistent Shadows and Lighting   Shadows in Moon photos often appear at varying angles or lengths, which skeptics interpret as signs of multiple artificial light sources (like spotlights in a film set) rather than a single source (the Sun). Some also note "hot spots" or uneven illumination, suggesting close-range lighting rather than distant sunlight. This raises doubts about the authenticity of the lunar environment, as it mimics common movie production errors. 

4. Survival Through the Van Allen Radiation Belts   The Van Allen belts are regions of intense radiation around Earth, and theorists argue that 1960s spacecraft lacked sufficient shielding to protect astronauts, implying the missions were faked to avoid lethal exposure. This doubt is bolstered by claims that film cameras would have been fogged by radiation, ruining photos. It seems plausible given Cold War-era nuclear tests (like Starfish Prime in 1962) that intensified the belts, raising questions about NASA's risk assessments. 

5. No Blast Crater Under the Lunar Module   The Lunar Module's descent engine should have created a visible crater or scattered dust from the rocket thrust, but photos show the surface largely undisturbed beneath it. Skeptics see this as evidence of a prop lowered by wires in a studio, not a real powered landing. This doubt persists because it aligns with expectations from Earth-based rocket tests, where exhaust often leaves marks. 

6. Crosshair Anomalies in Photos   Cameras used reticles (crosshairs) etched on glass for scale, but in some images, these appear behind objects (e.g., rocks or astronauts), suggesting the photos were composited or altered. Theorists argue this indicates "pasting" elements onto backgrounds. It raises reasonable suspicion for those unfamiliar with photographic artifacts, as it implies post-production tampering. 

7. Identical Backgrounds in Separate Photos   Photos purportedly taken miles apart show nearly identical mountain backdrops, leading skeptics to claim a limited painted set or backdrop was reused. This doubt questions the scale and authenticity of the lunar landscape, as distant features should vary more noticeably. 
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