The most egregious part of it is as you grow older and your kids have long moved away, and your house has long been paid off, you're still fucking paying property tax.
My parents are gone. I live on their property. The taxes for just this one lot is $3000 for 1 year. They are financially raping this Monatana patriot. It is sad
What you get for the taxes
Medieval serfs received basically nothing in return (occasional famine relief at best). Modern citizens get universal education, healthcare (in most developed countries), pensions, unemployment benefits, roads, police, military protection, etc. So the net welfare is vastly higher today even if gross extraction is higher.
Visibility
Medieval taxes were mostly in kind (grain, chickens, days of labor) and very visible. Modern taxes are mostly withheld at source or hidden in prices, so people feel them less — but the economic burden is real.
Top-end burden is much higher today
A medieval noble or lord paid essentially zero tax to anyone above him. Modern high earners routinely face 50–70 % marginal rates in many countries.
Bottom line
If we measure purely the percentage of economic output taken by the state and its intermediaries (lords, church, king → modern governments), the average modern worker in almost every developed country pays significantly more than a medieval serf or pleb did. The only major exceptions are a few very low-tax jurisdictions (Monaco, some Gulf states, Singapore for certain expats), but those are not where most “modern individuals” live.
So yes — by the crude metric of “how big a share of your labor/output is coercively taken?”, today’s middle and working classes are more heavily taxed than the medieval peasantry ever was.
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Please note I personally feel that what we get for our taxes has been diminishing more and more rapidly while our taxes go up and up
That is also because the steady flood of foreigners is artificially increasing demand. Increased demand leads to higher prices for goods, lower wages for jobs and everything you cannot increase in price will lower in quality. That’s why all the social securities are giving you less benefits while everything is becoming more expensive.
The most egregious part of it is as you grow older and your kids have long moved away, and your house has long been paid off, you're still fucking paying property tax.
Yeah.
My parents are gone. I live on their property. The taxes for just this one lot is $3000 for 1 year. They are financially raping this Monatana patriot. It is sad
Texas. - 10,500 year not big property just wrong area ugh
Sauce According to Grok ( sorry busy day so no time to self pull) Yes, in almost all modern developed countries, ordinary working individuals today face a substantially higher effective tax burden than medieval European plebs (free peasants) or serfs did. Medieval tax/obligation burden (roughly 1000–1500 AD, Western Europe) • Serfs (unfree peasants, the majority of the rural population): • Paid the lord ~10–25 % of their harvest as manorial dues (typically 1/10 to 1/5, varying by region and period; the classic “tithe” was 10 % but often additional labor or goods were demanded). • Corvée labor: 10–50 days per year of unpaid work on the lord’s land or infrastructure (equivalent to another 3–15 % of annual labor value). • Tithe to the Church: another ~10 % of produce. • Miscellaneous fees (marriage tax, inheritance tax, mill/bakery/oven monopolies, etc.). • No direct income tax, no sales tax, no social-security contributions, no mandatory health-insurance premiums. • Effective total extraction: historians’ estimates usually range from 20–35 % of output for a typical serf, sometimes spiking higher in bad regions/years. • Free peasants/plebs in towns or on royal land: • Usually paid only the Church tithe (10 %) + modest royal taxes (hearth tax, tallage, etc.) that were often a few percent. • Total burden frequently under 15–20 %. The “tax wedge” = income tax + employee + employer social-security contributions, expressed as % of total labor cost. Even in low-tax OECD countries (Switzerland, USA, New Zealand ~30–32 %), you have to add: • Sales/VAT (5–25 % on consumption, effectively another 5–15 % of income), • Property taxes, fuel duties, excise taxes, vehicle registration, etc. So a typical American making $60k probably hands over 38–45 % of their economic output to some level of government when everything is counted (federal income, state income, payroll, sales, property, etc.). That is higher than almost any medieval serf outside of the most exploitative manors. Important caveats
End of Grok Please note I personally feel that what we get for our taxes has been diminishing more and more rapidly while our taxes go up and up
That is also because the steady flood of foreigners is artificially increasing demand. Increased demand leads to higher prices for goods, lower wages for jobs and everything you cannot increase in price will lower in quality. That’s why all the social securities are giving you less benefits while everything is becoming more expensive.
We pay $8900 per year. I figured out by the time I retire it'll be about 12,500.
NJ taxes are pretty hilarious to look at if you don't live here.