This isn't something that you have to take someone's word for.
Article II, Section 2, Clause 1- US Constitution
“Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offenses against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.”
Against the United States- which is federal. State laws =/= federal. Remember that whole states rights vs. Federal rights thing? They're not the same.
Here are the Supreme Court cases supporting that:
Ex parte Garland, 71 U.S. (4 Wall.) 333 (1866)
– Defines pardon power as applying to “offenses against the United States”
United States v. Klein, 80 U.S. (13 Wall.) 128 (1871)
– Confirms limits of pardon power within federal jurisdiction
Burdick v. United States, 236 U.S. 79 (1915)
– Assumes and applies federal-only scope of presidential pardons
Schick v. Reed, 419 U.S. 256 (1974)
– Reaffirms constitutional source and limits of pardon authority
Ohio Adult Parole Authority v. Woodard, 523 U.S. 272 (1998)
– Discusses clemency power and constitutional constraints (federal context)
Here's where the DOJ supports it
U.S. DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE – OFFICIAL EXPLANATIONS
DOJ Office of the Pardon Attorney (OPA)
U.S. Department of Justice – Clemency Process
Key language used by DOJ:
“The President’s pardon power extends only to federal offenses.”
“The President cannot pardon state criminal offenses.”
Office of the Pardon Attorney – Frequently Asked Questions
– DOJ states presidential pardons apply only to federal crimes
Justice Manual (formerly U.S. Attorneys’ Manual)
– Clemency and pardon authority defined as federal-only
DOJ Office of Legal Counsel (OLC) opinions
– Consistently interpret Article II pardon power as limited to federal offenses
So it's not something you have to guess about.
As to something being true just because President Trump said it....I'm not stupid enough to try to prove that wrong here, because it's a sure way to catch a ban. 🤷♀️
But here's something you can do. Don't memory hole this. Don't just forget all about it tomorrow. Keep your eye on what happens.
Defines pardon power as applying to “offenses against the United States”
So her Colorado isn't part of the United States? States have a right to secede from the union? That would make a certain war "illegal murder" then, right?
Dude, that's just nonsensical.
It's like you don't even understand what states rights are or why they're important.
I'll remind you that just a few years ago the Suprene Court put abortion rights into the hands of the states. If you tried to hand wave away the powers of the state in favor of the power of the federal government (exactly like is being done here), then there would be about 99% fewer laws against abortions. Women would be able to get abortions at 24+ weeks for whatever reason they feel like because there's no federal law against that.
Seriously, sometimes I wonder if some of you even bother to think about what you're saying before you say it. (Or type it).
I disagree, the attitude is 100% necessary. Because people don't change bad habits when everyone enables those habits.
Yeah, the whole "wait and see what happens" gambit. Where I am 100% convinced you'll forget all about this in less than a week. Which is what typically happens with this type of thing.
So let's make a deal. Every Friday we check in with each other to see if there has been any movement on this Presidental Pardon. It very rarely takes more than 2 months for someone to be released once a Presidential pardon has been given (if the pardon was legal, anyway). I think it typically takes about 2 weeks in most cases though for many it can be within 24 hours.
So how long do you want to give this "wait and see" (aka "wait and forget all about it") before you give up on it? 3 months? 6? A year? Until the end of President Trump's term in office?
I'm infinitely patient and have no problem doing weekly check ins to prove my point here.
President Trump says he does have the power to pardon her; and others say he doesn't.
Given Trump's track record of winning...
...we'll just call it a tie.
This isn't something that you have to take someone's word for.
Article II, Section 2, Clause 1- US Constitution “Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offenses against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.”
Against the United States- which is federal. State laws =/= federal. Remember that whole states rights vs. Federal rights thing? They're not the same.
Here are the Supreme Court cases supporting that:
Ex parte Garland, 71 U.S. (4 Wall.) 333 (1866) – Defines pardon power as applying to “offenses against the United States”
United States v. Klein, 80 U.S. (13 Wall.) 128 (1871) – Confirms limits of pardon power within federal jurisdiction
Burdick v. United States, 236 U.S. 79 (1915) – Assumes and applies federal-only scope of presidential pardons
Schick v. Reed, 419 U.S. 256 (1974) – Reaffirms constitutional source and limits of pardon authority
Ohio Adult Parole Authority v. Woodard, 523 U.S. 272 (1998) – Discusses clemency power and constitutional constraints (federal context)
Here's where the DOJ supports it
U.S. DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE – OFFICIAL EXPLANATIONS
DOJ Office of the Pardon Attorney (OPA)
U.S. Department of Justice – Clemency Process
Key language used by DOJ:
“The President’s pardon power extends only to federal offenses.”
“The President cannot pardon state criminal offenses.”
Office of the Pardon Attorney – Frequently Asked Questions – DOJ states presidential pardons apply only to federal crimes
Justice Manual (formerly U.S. Attorneys’ Manual) – Clemency and pardon authority defined as federal-only
DOJ Office of Legal Counsel (OLC) opinions – Consistently interpret Article II pardon power as limited to federal offenses
So it's not something you have to guess about.
As to something being true just because President Trump said it....I'm not stupid enough to try to prove that wrong here, because it's a sure way to catch a ban. 🤷♀️
But here's something you can do. Don't memory hole this. Don't just forget all about it tomorrow. Keep your eye on what happens.
So her Colorado isn't part of the United States? States have a right to secede from the union? That would make a certain war "illegal murder" then, right?
Dude, that's just nonsensical. It's like you don't even understand what states rights are or why they're important.
I'll remind you that just a few years ago the Suprene Court put abortion rights into the hands of the states. If you tried to hand wave away the powers of the state in favor of the power of the federal government (exactly like is being done here), then there would be about 99% fewer laws against abortions. Women would be able to get abortions at 24+ weeks for whatever reason they feel like because there's no federal law against that.
Seriously, sometimes I wonder if some of you even bother to think about what you're saying before you say it. (Or type it).
I didn't downvote, but incidentally the attitude is unnecessary; and my money's still on Trump being proven right in the end regardless.
We'll have to see what happens
I disagree, the attitude is 100% necessary. Because people don't change bad habits when everyone enables those habits.
Yeah, the whole "wait and see what happens" gambit. Where I am 100% convinced you'll forget all about this in less than a week. Which is what typically happens with this type of thing.
So let's make a deal. Every Friday we check in with each other to see if there has been any movement on this Presidental Pardon. It very rarely takes more than 2 months for someone to be released once a Presidential pardon has been given (if the pardon was legal, anyway). I think it typically takes about 2 weeks in most cases though for many it can be within 24 hours.
So how long do you want to give this "wait and see" (aka "wait and forget all about it") before you give up on it? 3 months? 6? A year? Until the end of President Trump's term in office?
I'm infinitely patient and have no problem doing weekly check ins to prove my point here.
You game?
LOL sorry, there's still no need for attitude or games
just wait and see if Trump ends up being right again