Many celebrities were pushed on the American public through hype so they could later be used to make timely political statements. If you put a group of 10 celebrities together, 9 of them will be overrated. One big example is Spielberg. He was pushed on us as a great filmmaker, but he had 4 duds for every hit. I can name 10 American born film directors who made movies in the same era as Spielberg, who are grossly under appreciated but put out a better filmography.
I'm putting aside the rumors of Spielberg and the little girl from Poltergeist for a second here ... I'm aware he may be a big scumbag ... it's made me lose respect for him overall. I don't know if they're true, but a lot of stuff I thought was bullshit as recent as 15 years ago has turned out to be completely true.
Being objective, I have to disagree with his 4 duds to a hit ratio ... at least in the 70s, 80s and 90s. I don't feel as if I was conditioned to like his work by external forces :-) ... I think a lot of his movies, especially his mid-late 70s thru the 80s, were outstanding.
His early work was incredible overall (Duel, Sugarland Express were solid films, but Jaws, Close Encounters, Raiders of the Lost Ark, E.T. (though I didn't care for it much when I was a kid), Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom/Last Crusade are all classics).
The only shitbombs he had up through the 80s were 1941 and Always in my worthless opinion. While I certainly despise Whoppi Goldberg, I can't trash "The Color Purple" outside of exaggerating history to fit the film's plot.
Many of his hits in the 90s were movies I didn't care for (Jurassic Park comes to mind ... dinosaurs do nothing for me), but I cannot discount them as anything but great films. Saving Private Ryan was a masterpiece in my worthless opinion. Schindler's List was another incredible film (though I suspect some here will consider it fiction ... I don't ... maybe some historical exaggerations, but I believe Hitler was a scumbag socialist and his fruitcake SS did murder many Jews for their sick pleasure much like the Soviets to their own people all over Socialist political nonsense).
I will certainly agree that he lost something from the 2000s on up ... while I dug his War of the Worlds remake, Minority Report, Catch Me If You Can, and Ready Player One, I can see your point as clear as a bell ... I merely enjoyed those films ... I wasn't blown away by them like I was by his 70s and early 80s stuff (that isn't nostalgia speaking either ... to this day, I downright love that era of his work).
FWIW, I am pretty sure that there are a hell of a lot more talented filmmakers I know nothing about from the 70s and 80s ... in fact, I am sure of that. Hollywood got caught up in the "make everything feel good/wonderful" after the success of Star Wars, and Spielberg was a perfect fit for that kind of movie ... I like gritty, raw films as much as I like those "feel good" ones ... I also think it takes a lot more talent as a filmmaker to make a gritty kind of film (like a lot of Clint Eastwood's work) that wins the public over.
TLDR : I do share some of your sentiment regarding Spielberg's work, but I think 4 duds to a hit ratio is a bit off ... especially from the 70s-90s :-) .
I recognize everyone has their cinematic opinions, but I felt only two of the Indiana Jones movies were any good. The first and the third. I also noticed that you didn’t mention Schindler’s List which I credit as one of his better ones though the film deviates from the novel which I read. Another you didn’t mention was West Side Story which pales to the 1960s original. And he had to throw in a trans character.
I’m glad you mentioned Clint Eastwood, who I would rate better than Spielberg. I can’t believe the body of work he directed while in his 70s and 80s. BTW, I admire him more as a director than an actor. If you want to judge a director by their body of work, check out Eastwood, Mann, Zemekis, and Mel Gibson. They didn’t make the big box office, but the quality of their overall work is outstanding.
Many celebrities were pushed on the American public through hype so they could later be used to make timely political statements. If you put a group of 10 celebrities together, 9 of them will be overrated. One big example is Spielberg. He was pushed on us as a great filmmaker, but he had 4 duds for every hit. I can name 10 American born film directors who made movies in the same era as Spielberg, who are grossly under appreciated but put out a better filmography.
I'm putting aside the rumors of Spielberg and the little girl from Poltergeist for a second here ... I'm aware he may be a big scumbag ... it's made me lose respect for him overall. I don't know if they're true, but a lot of stuff I thought was bullshit as recent as 15 years ago has turned out to be completely true.
Being objective, I have to disagree with his 4 duds to a hit ratio ... at least in the 70s, 80s and 90s. I don't feel as if I was conditioned to like his work by external forces :-) ... I think a lot of his movies, especially his mid-late 70s thru the 80s, were outstanding.
His early work was incredible overall (Duel, Sugarland Express were solid films, but Jaws, Close Encounters, Raiders of the Lost Ark, E.T. (though I didn't care for it much when I was a kid), Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom/Last Crusade are all classics).
The only shitbombs he had up through the 80s were 1941 and Always in my worthless opinion. While I certainly despise Whoppi Goldberg, I can't trash "The Color Purple" outside of exaggerating history to fit the film's plot.
Many of his hits in the 90s were movies I didn't care for (Jurassic Park comes to mind ... dinosaurs do nothing for me), but I cannot discount them as anything but great films. Saving Private Ryan was a masterpiece in my worthless opinion. Schindler's List was another incredible film (though I suspect some here will consider it fiction ... I don't ... maybe some historical exaggerations, but I believe Hitler was a scumbag socialist and his fruitcake SS did murder many Jews for their sick pleasure much like the Soviets to their own people all over Socialist political nonsense).
I will certainly agree that he lost something from the 2000s on up ... while I dug his War of the Worlds remake, Minority Report, Catch Me If You Can, and Ready Player One, I can see your point as clear as a bell ... I merely enjoyed those films ... I wasn't blown away by them like I was by his 70s and early 80s stuff (that isn't nostalgia speaking either ... to this day, I downright love that era of his work).
FWIW, I am pretty sure that there are a hell of a lot more talented filmmakers I know nothing about from the 70s and 80s ... in fact, I am sure of that. Hollywood got caught up in the "make everything feel good/wonderful" after the success of Star Wars, and Spielberg was a perfect fit for that kind of movie ... I like gritty, raw films as much as I like those "feel good" ones ... I also think it takes a lot more talent as a filmmaker to make a gritty kind of film (like a lot of Clint Eastwood's work) that wins the public over.
TLDR : I do share some of your sentiment regarding Spielberg's work, but I think 4 duds to a hit ratio is a bit off ... especially from the 70s-90s :-) .
I recognize everyone has their cinematic opinions, but I felt only two of the Indiana Jones movies were any good. The first and the third. I also noticed that you didn’t mention Schindler’s List which I credit as one of his better ones though the film deviates from the novel which I read. Another you didn’t mention was West Side Story which pales to the 1960s original. And he had to throw in a trans character.
I’m glad you mentioned Clint Eastwood, who I would rate better than Spielberg. I can’t believe the body of work he directed while in his 70s and 80s. BTW, I admire him more as a director than an actor. If you want to judge a director by their body of work, check out Eastwood, Mann, Zemekis, and Mel Gibson. They didn’t make the big box office, but the quality of their overall work is outstanding.
I did mention Schindler's List :-) ... It was followed by a small rant about socialists and their killing sprees too :-).
Sorry, I guess I glanced past it. I, also, forgot to throw in Tarantino, Coppola, Hughes, and Rodriguez among great American directors.
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