I bet that if churches worked on building new pastors from within instead of hiring them out of seminaries like any old run-of-the-mill employer just looking to fill a positional role, this would happen a lot less.
Is the “pastor/flock” model even how the church originally worked? I can’t see there being pastors when Christianity was operating under the home-meeting structure without fixed “synagogues” as it were.
Haven’t seen The Chosen yet, but there’s an older cartoon called The Story Keepers that shows some insight into that model. I know some people who keep it, currently.
Maybe make the “pastors” into, if there is an external building, the people who make sure it is meeting congregational needs. I always thought the old monastic model was onto something, except without them being so isolated from the community - they keep up the building, study, garden, help the congregation when needed, etc, but don’t really “shepherd the flock” so to speak.
That depends on your denomination in the modern day. The Apostolic churches (Catholic, Coptic, Orthodox etc.) trace their lineage through the apostles and have what is called Apostolic Succession. But the early church worked through the Apostles and who they taught and ordained. For example St. John who was a disciple of Christ taught St. Ignatius of Antioch who then taught Polycarp the bishop of Smyrna so on and so forth.
The first half of the service was for all and the second half was for Baptized members to partake in the Eucharist (communion).
Not sure how Orthodox do it now but in the modern day Catholic priests do seminary through a priestly fraternal order (St. Peter, Franciscans, Augustianians, Jesuits,) etc. there is still apostolic succession but different orders emphasize different things and might do mass differently. For example the Fraternity of St Peter is a traditional mass order.
Protestants have theological seminaries tied to their denomination. Calvinist, Lutheran etc. and often according to their specific church in their denomination. My Uncle was a Lutheran pastor who went to a LCMC Lutheran seminary. So the LCMC (leans conservative) LCMS (very conservative) and the ELCA (woke garbage). Will have different seminaries for their denominations.
With all the different Protestant denominations I can’t speak for all of them but that is how it generally works.
Belz is a surname of Germanic and Ashkenazic Jewish origin, derived from the town of Belz in western Ukraine (historically part of Galicia, within the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth). The name likely comes from the Polish word belza, meaning "alder," possibly indicating an occupational link to alder wood or a habitational name for someone from the town. The surname became particularly prominent through the Belz Hasidic Dynasty, founded in the early 19th century by Rabbi Shalom Rokeach (the Sar Shalom), who established a major Hasidic movement. After surviving the Holocaust, the dynasty was re-established in Israel, with the Belz community now centered in Jerusalem and New York. The name is common among Ashkenazi Jews and is also found in variations such as Belcer, Belser, and Belzec.
very jewish name
Was about to note this.
Have seen other Progressive Church pastors/leadership with similar names.
Marxists for a long time have been recruited to infiltrate mainline Protestant churches to weaken the faith.
I bet that if churches worked on building new pastors from within instead of hiring them out of seminaries like any old run-of-the-mill employer just looking to fill a positional role, this would happen a lot less.
Is the “pastor/flock” model even how the church originally worked? I can’t see there being pastors when Christianity was operating under the home-meeting structure without fixed “synagogues” as it were.
Haven’t seen The Chosen yet, but there’s an older cartoon called The Story Keepers that shows some insight into that model. I know some people who keep it, currently.
Maybe make the “pastors” into, if there is an external building, the people who make sure it is meeting congregational needs. I always thought the old monastic model was onto something, except without them being so isolated from the community - they keep up the building, study, garden, help the congregation when needed, etc, but don’t really “shepherd the flock” so to speak.
That depends on your denomination in the modern day. The Apostolic churches (Catholic, Coptic, Orthodox etc.) trace their lineage through the apostles and have what is called Apostolic Succession. But the early church worked through the Apostles and who they taught and ordained. For example St. John who was a disciple of Christ taught St. Ignatius of Antioch who then taught Polycarp the bishop of Smyrna so on and so forth.
The first half of the service was for all and the second half was for Baptized members to partake in the Eucharist (communion).
Not sure how Orthodox do it now but in the modern day Catholic priests do seminary through a priestly fraternal order (St. Peter, Franciscans, Augustianians, Jesuits,) etc. there is still apostolic succession but different orders emphasize different things and might do mass differently. For example the Fraternity of St Peter is a traditional mass order.
Protestants have theological seminaries tied to their denomination. Calvinist, Lutheran etc. and often according to their specific church in their denomination. My Uncle was a Lutheran pastor who went to a LCMC Lutheran seminary. So the LCMC (leans conservative) LCMS (very conservative) and the ELCA (woke garbage). Will have different seminaries for their denominations.
With all the different Protestant denominations I can’t speak for all of them but that is how it generally works.
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Jacob, you mean?
that and Belz
another shapeshifter
I don't know that Belz is a Jewish name. Thanks.
Belz is a surname of Germanic and Ashkenazic Jewish origin, derived from the town of Belz in western Ukraine (historically part of Galicia, within the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth). The name likely comes from the Polish word belza, meaning "alder," possibly indicating an occupational link to alder wood or a habitational name for someone from the town. The surname became particularly prominent through the Belz Hasidic Dynasty, founded in the early 19th century by Rabbi Shalom Rokeach (the Sar Shalom), who established a major Hasidic movement. After surviving the Holocaust, the dynasty was re-established in Israel, with the Belz community now centered in Jerusalem and New York. The name is common among Ashkenazi Jews and is also found in variations such as Belcer, Belser, and Belzec.
Careful Anon. Careful please.
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