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This Davos Speech Revealed the Antichrist’s Image of the Beast. (Hmmm interesting🤔)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pks8IE6PHzM
The beast was Nero. We're a couple of thousand years past that bud.
How do you know that, what's your source of authority?
Scripture and history.
Revelation was written to seven real churches in the first century about events that were “soon” to take place. Not soon in the sense of “in a few thousand years once microchips are invented,” but soon in their world.
Let us build the case.
Revelation 13:18 says:
That is not mystical fog. That is first century gematria.
In Hebrew, letters function as numbers. When you spell Nero Caesar in Hebrew, נרון קסר (Neron Qesar), the numerical value adds up to 666.
Break it down:
נ (50)
ר (200)
ו (6)
ן (50)
ק (100)
ס (60)
ר (200)
Total: 666
Now here is where it gets even more interesting. Some early manuscripts of Revelation list the number as 616 instead of 666. Why? Because when you drop the final “n” from Nero and spell it in its Latin form, Nero Caesar, the total becomes 616.
That is not coincidence. That is a neon sign.
A first century Jew who knew Hebrew and lived under Roman persecution would not need a study Bible footnote to figure that out.
Revelation 13 describes a beast with authority over the nations, demanding worship, persecuting the saints.
Who was doing that in the first century?
Not Brussels. Not Washington. Not some future globalist alliance.
It was Rome.
Nero was the first emperor to unleash state sponsored persecution against Christians. After the fire of Rome in AD 64, he blamed Christians and subjected them to grotesque executions. Tacitus records believers being burned alive as human torches.
That matches Revelation’s imagery of a beast drunk with the blood of the saints.
Revelation 17 says the beast has seven heads, which are seven kings. It says five have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come.
If you start counting Roman emperors from Julius Caesar:
Julius
Augustus
Tiberius
Caligula
Claudius
Five fallen.
“The one who is” would be Nero.
That fits like a key in a lock.
Revelation speaks of being unable to buy or sell without the mark of the beast.
In the Roman world, participation in emperor worship functioned as a loyalty oath. Refusal could exclude you from trade guilds and public commerce. Christians were pressured to say “Caesar is Lord.” They refused because “Jesus is Lord.”
That conflict was immediate, not speculative.
Revelation opens and closes with time statements:
“The time is near.”
“Things which must shortly take place.”
If language means anything, John was not warning Asian churches about barcodes two millennia later. He was preparing them for the coming judgment that would climax in the destruction of Jerusalem in AD 70 and the collapse of Nero’s reign.
Why This Would Be Obvious to Them
A Hebrew speaking believer under Roman rule, watching Nero rage against Christians, hearing about the emperor’s divine pretensions, calculating the number 666, and living through persecution would not say:
“Clearly this is about a distant Scandinavian diplomat.”
They would say:
“That is Nero.”
Summary
The case in brief:
666 equals Nero Caesar in Hebrew.
616 variant confirms it in Latin form.
Nero was the reigning persecutor.
Revelation’s time indicators point to the first century.
The Roman imperial system matches the beast imagery.
In other words, the beast was not a future overlord. It was the bloodthirsty emperor sitting on the throne in their own day.
Christians understood this and taught this for over 1000 years. It's only what the publication of the Schofield reference Bible and the spread of premillennial dispensationalism about 200 years ago by the Rothschilds that most Christians started looking for future interpretation of these passages that had already happened.
I have recently become very intrigued with this information. The evidence that the rapture happened in 70AD is a lot to take in but makes sense once you look at it from what we have always had pushed on us. Christians of today, me included, have possibly been told false things.
2Peter 3: 3 knowing this first: that scoffers will come in the last days, walking according to their own lusts, 4 and saying, “Where is the promise of His coming? For since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of creation.” 5 For this they willfully forget: that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of water and in the water, 6 by which the world that then existed perished, being flooded with water. 7 But the heavens and the earth which are now preserved by the same word, are reserved for fire until the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
he has not been reading the posts on evidence for creation
at 2:09 “4 billion years of evolution have demonstrated that anything that wants to survive learns to lie and manipulate”. … he says people before Descartes have defined humans by their ability to think.
Yet from the theistic point of view, humans place in creation defines us: Psalm 8:3-6 (English Standard Version)
3 When I look at your heavens, the work of your fingers, the moon and the stars, which you have set in place, 4 what is man that you are mindful of him, and the son of man that you care for him? 5 Yet you have made him a little lower than the heavenly beings and crowned him with glory and honor. 6 You have given him dominion over the works of your hands; you have put all things under his feet,
Nice video
"Anything that wants to survive learns to lie and manipulate" - Yuri
This is exactly what Yuri was doing the whole time. "Words" only carry so much information. Sight, smell, taste, touch, and sound carry infinitely more - especially if you include the breath of the spirit of God.