The Soviets never did launch nukes at us. Their communism fell because it was economically and socially unsustainable, not because of American boondoggles into the third world.
I’m opposed to communism on the moral grounds that it requires government coercion of labor. The moral begets the practical, and people respond to government violence by dragging their feet economically, so the whole thing eventually becomes impractical. If we really dislike communism, one thing we can do is wait for it to implode. No need to add to the violence. It was special interests within the military industrial complex who told you that violence was the correct response.
I opposed the Vietnam war because we weren't fighting to win, we were fighting for a stalemate.
And when my number came up I served. How about yourself ?“
Thank you for your service. I wasn’t born yet.
How did you oppose the war?
In the Ken Burns doc, some of the interviewed Vietnam War veterans who had previously considered being conscientious objectors gave some interesting views on what they really thought would have been the courageous and dutiful moves.
You grew up with only four tv channels, plenty of exposure to CIA fear-mongering, and no internet to debunk it. You have my sympathy.
Your welcome. And thank you.
Demonstrations. I was in all of the Moratoriums in DC and probably 100 or more demonstrations in NYC from 67-71. Got stuff dropped on us and the crap beat out of us by the construction workers who were building the World Trade Center.
I knew the Berrigan brothers, a pair of Catholic priests who were major players in the antiwar movement. I could easily have gotten a CO if I had wanted it. But I wasn't a conscientious objector, I objected to the way the war was being fought not to us fighting it. I was never part of the movement that chanted "Ho Ho Ho Chi Minh NLF is going to win." Those people were very few and were despised by the vast majority. People like Jane Fonda, whose grave I promise to piss on if I outlive her.
The people who I respected were those like Mohammed Ali, who went to jail and paid the price for his beliefs. The people I loathed were the ones who ran to Canada and Sweden. Zero respect for them and for Carter who pardoned them.
We had way more than 4 channels in NYC, lol. But the schools and teachers and professors, then like now were so far left that it countered any rright wing bias. And by the way, the media at the time were all left wing, there was nothing but anti-war coverage on eevery network, so your assumption about the CIA running the media is completely opposite to what was happening.
So when I got my number I went in because I believed I owed the country that had let me demonstrate.
The Soviet Union would still exist if not for the military and economic pressure brought on it by the US, NATO, Reagan, Thatcher, et. al. Sitting back and waiting for Communism to fall from it's own inertia is proven false by the state of the world today. The Soviet Union fell because it was actively and sometimes violently opposed. The Communist Chinse have not fallen and will not unless they too are opposed in all ways possible. With Iran and Venezuealla and the Panama Canal, Trump is not just liberating people, and making the US safer, he is making major moves against China. A very necessary thing.
The Soviets never did launch nukes at us. Their communism fell because it was economically and socially unsustainable, not because of American boondoggles into the third world.
I’m opposed to communism on the moral grounds that it requires government coercion of labor. The moral begets the practical, and people respond to government violence by dragging their feet economically, so the whole thing eventually becomes impractical. If we really dislike communism, one thing we can do is wait for it to implode. No need to add to the violence. It was special interests within the military industrial complex who told you that violence was the correct response.
Thank you for your service. I wasn’t born yet.
How did you oppose the war?
In the Ken Burns doc, some of the interviewed Vietnam War veterans who had previously considered being conscientious objectors gave some interesting views on what they really thought would have been the courageous and dutiful moves.
You grew up with only four tv channels, plenty of exposure to CIA fear-mongering, and no internet to debunk it. You have my sympathy.
Your welcome. And thank you. Demonstrations. I was in all of the Moratoriums in DC and probably 100 or more demonstrations in NYC from 67-71. Got stuff dropped on us and the crap beat out of us by the construction workers who were building the World Trade Center.
I knew the Berrigan brothers, a pair of Catholic priests who were major players in the antiwar movement. I could easily have gotten a CO if I had wanted it. But I wasn't a conscientious objector, I objected to the way the war was being fought not to us fighting it. I was never part of the movement that chanted "Ho Ho Ho Chi Minh NLF is going to win." Those people were very few and were despised by the vast majority. People like Jane Fonda, whose grave I promise to piss on if I outlive her.
The people who I respected were those like Mohammed Ali, who went to jail and paid the price for his beliefs. The people I loathed were the ones who ran to Canada and Sweden. Zero respect for them and for Carter who pardoned them.
We had way more than 4 channels in NYC, lol. But the schools and teachers and professors, then like now were so far left that it countered any rright wing bias. And by the way, the media at the time were all left wing, there was nothing but anti-war coverage on eevery network, so your assumption about the CIA running the media is completely opposite to what was happening.
So when I got my number I went in because I believed I owed the country that had let me demonstrate.
The Soviet Union would still exist if not for the military and economic pressure brought on it by the US, NATO, Reagan, Thatcher, et. al. Sitting back and waiting for Communism to fall from it's own inertia is proven false by the state of the world today. The Soviet Union fell because it was actively and sometimes violently opposed. The Communist Chinse have not fallen and will not unless they too are opposed in all ways possible. With Iran and Venezuealla and the Panama Canal, Trump is not just liberating people, and making the US safer, he is making major moves against China. A very necessary thing.
China isn’t the same brand of communism that it used to be.
Tell that to the Uyghurs. Or the people still bearing the scars and losses from the Tiananmen Square massacre.