Did Israel LIE to Trump to get the U.S. into the war with Iran?
The White House is reportedly FURIOUS...
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Started and Going- They both could have happened. I'm pretty sure the latter has happened and going on. The mission creep was burning bright. That was the plan adapting. I know Israel and London are freaking out. And when they are in panic mode , we are winning.
Not a chance. Trump knew exactly what Iran was even 39 years ago.
He spent a ton of money and took out this ad in 1987
No way, no how anyone can try to convince me "Trump had no idea and attacked Iran only because Israel lied to him"
To this day, he is the only politician I have come across who hasn't changed their stance even decades later.
I agree with both of you frogs, and here's how:
The normie optics are being presented throughout alt media as u/mmtwo has delineated.
The plan as we know it supports what you have espoused u/bubbles_bursts
However, I think you are both missing the picture here. The narrative that ISR is the muh bad-guy in all of this is one being injected by WH into the alt-media scene. Benny, TC, MSM, whoever... many are being used and are parroting what they are fed which leads to predictable behavior which in turn has the desired effect of controlled journalism aka propaganda a la reverse social engineering.
It's all a big choreographed dance. This is how WH are setting up the narrative and optics for public acceptance of ISR for last.
I totally agree that ultimately everything is going as per WHs broader field of vision.
However, here is what most people assume - WHs give these alt-media people a specific narrative - "Hey go ahead and say this right now because it sure would help us with such and such".
That is not the case. They allow the black hats to seed the narrative for their own purposes but they calibrate it specifically so that it reaches the level they need.
So for example, Tucker or Candace etc dont attack Israel because they have been told to do so by the WHs. They do it for their own motives, but the WHs allow them to do so as long as it servers the current objectives.
As a concrete example, lets take Israel. There are so many objectives in different timeframes.
From the WHs point of view:
WHs need Israel to prosecute the war against Iran
WHs need to squeeze China and Britain via the actions in Iran (Real objective). This needs distraction
WHs need to expose Israel at the end after all other assets are taken out (Long term objective)
WHs need to hunt out the sleepers and fake patriots.
From the City of London's (CoL) point of view
They need Trump to lose this war
They think if they split Trump and Israel they can make Trump lose
They need a new regime in Iran that would work with the planned China-centered NWO.
They have motivated influencers who have been lead to believe China will prevail to create split in MAGA by pushing anti-Israel narratives.
From Israel's point of view
They want the Greater Israel
That requires removing the current regime
And replacing with a regime that would help them with their Greater ambitions
Now we can see how beautifully the WHs have managed synergy with both allies and enemies (and frenemies)
WHs point 1 coincides with Israels point 2. Thats why Israel and US jointly attacked Iran.
WHs point 3 (longer term disclosure) and works beautifully with CoL's point 4 (anti-Israel narratvies) - which is what you were referring to.
But WHs point 2 (distractions) also works beautifully with CoL's point 4 (splitting MAGA) by focusing everyone on the splits.
point 2 (distraction right now) coincides with CoL's point 4 (influencers peddling anti-Israel, anti-MAGA narratives).
See, in this picture you dont need WHs to inject any narrative to anyone. It all happens organically, by the enemy. They can let the enemy corrupt the MAGA influencers and see who takes the bait and BOOM WH point 4 neatly accomplished.
When you see this fuller picture it all makes so much sense and you realise why it had to be this way. And no, none of these influencers are good guys playing a game. They are unwittingly helping WHs while thinking they are on the winning side, when actually they are on the losing sides a.k.a "useful idiots"
Well stated and I completely concur. However, we cannot pretend to know exactly who has good intentions, who has malicious intentions, and who is simply being predictably used.... well, all of them are the latter in a sense, but you get what I'm saying. It is better not to vehemently attack nor defend any such media source. As you stated, it's a division tactic and many anon's are falling for it. Sure, some idiots are super obvious. IDK, take those dumbass Krassenstiens or Shapiro or Loomer for example. Not too hard to guess their allegiances. Yet, even those buffoons are being used by WH whether they realize it or not.
This shit is beneath us. Frogs should be wise to all of this by now. But, here we are nearly a decade deep and some folks here still believe Juan O Savin is a super duper secret WH asset! So I guess I shouldn't be surprised that frogs latch onto alt-stream punditry that is literally designed to pull at their heartstrings with information that may actually be true or appeal to the universal trust no one/everything is a conspiracy stereotype.
Yes, my point entirely. Good, bad, ugly... it doesn't matter when it comes to punditry. They're all being fed information, both good and bad, to predictably control the narrative geared towards normie optics. Which is why this whole back and forth daily on here is getting rather repetitive and boring: Frogs shouldn't be wasting time arguing about aspects of the movie that are ultimately intended for the normies.
Point being, frogs should be having the type of conversations as yourself and u/mmtwo had. It all starts there in order to understand the movie scenes as they play out. The hot garbage daily twitter takes from the $7000 club and repetitive "I support the current (insert pundit here) stance" are probably doing more harm than good here in the pond. Then again, by my own logic delineated earlier.... perhaps it is totally fine and we are supposed to croak back and forth about all of this hot-button hyperbole. After all, that is a major part that we play as anons: pushing the narrative for normie consumption utilizing dank memes and attacking the normie's brain-cases and safe spaces.
Anyhoot, just chewing on my breakfast blend of crayons and I wanted to commend you and u/mmtwo for seeing and discussing both sides of the bigger picture at play. May this entire thread encourage others to drop their punditry pennants and realize that sometimes, they are the one's in the movie theater who are annoyingly using their cellphones during the film.
Sorry fren, I think I missed this point.-"This is how WH are setting up the narrative and optics for public acceptance of ISR for last".That math works.Great point. Do you think the rug-pull against ISR will be before they start the "We are protecting ourselves war" with Turkey?And that would be after will get out of NATO.
That particular point is a bit harder to predict due to several variables to consider.
Will the US actually leave NATO? If so, when?
Assuming the US leaves NATO, will POTUS offer protection the same as he has offered via the USN as insurance towards maritime global exchange?
Assuming NATO is dissolved, the EU has considered if not planned for many years on creating an EU Army. If this force were to manifest, the EU would most certainly offer Turkey membership.
If ISR were to attack Southern Turkey, then we must also consider Russia's options. They could cut a deal with both Turkey & ISR then choose to aid or backstab either country. Many options to consider...
And while it is good crayon chewing to speculate upon such habbenings, none have yet come to pass. And if they do, it could be at anytime. Next week, next month, next year, not at all... let's hope the rug pull is before tho. The sooner any war stops the better.
There's a lot of precursors at play though that will ultimately effect Turkey. Im keeping Druzhba & Turkstream pipelines on my radar. They could play as a critical catalyst to both the Middle Eastern conflict happenings and the proxy war in Ukraine.
I respectfully disagree. But thank you for the chat, and all the help you've given me over all these years. Because of the T.B.I. I can't filter or narrow down. I take everything in. And my Frens here and all the MODS even past ones have helped me with my recovery. So thank you.