So a massive inventory warehouse doesn't have a functioning smoke detection system and industrial sprinklers installed? Which would be required by the state for the occupancy permit to be issued, especially in CA, with biannual or annual inspections required validating the systems are operational. A guy with a lighter burned the whole facility down. Doesn't pass the sniff test. Someone disabled the fire system with its fail safes in order for that scenario to happen.
yes they are especially in large high risk storage scenarios of this fuel type.
This is a paper warehouse of one of the worlds largest toilet paper manufacturers in a warehouse in a state that has the very stringent building occupancy permitting and fire code standards. NFPA 13 and NFPA 25 (among others), drive the requirements that necessitate these systems "shall" perform to the minimum requirements, which will mitigate multiple fires in multiple locations in a single structure.
"Fire Suppression Systems in Large Warehouses
Fire suppression systems are crucial for maintaining safety in large warehouses, which often contain high volumes of flammable materials and complex layouts.
Capabilities of Fire Suppression Systems
Automatic Activation: These systems are designed to activate automatically when they detect heat or smoke, allowing for rapid response to fire incidents.
Multiple Fire Control: Advanced fire suppression systems can extinguish multiple fires simultaneously. They are engineered to control and contain fires effectively, minimizing damage and protecting lives.
I have been designing fire suppression systems for 30 years. NFPA 13 does not require systems to battle multiple fires. There can be project specific requirements that mandate this but code minimum NFPA 13 does not. More than likely this warehouse was protected by ESFR sprinklers, which when flowing all 12 sprinklers that are required to be calculated, would put out a flow more than most public water systems can handle.
NFPA 25 has nothing to do with design criteria and is focused on inspections.
You said they are not designed to handle multiple fires. If what you say is true as a designer of fire suppression systems, then you would know they are and should be able to handle those kind of scenarios. I didn't say NFPA 25 is about design criteria. I referenced it as this code would be integrated part of the maintenance and operations of the system. Perhaps the water system was overwhelmed that wouldn't surprise me. But the guy lighting fires and it became a total loss seems fishy. Anyway the place is gone and that's enough debate on the internet about sprinklers for me. Cheers
So a massive inventory warehouse doesn't have a functioning smoke detection system and industrial sprinklers installed? Which would be required by the state for the occupancy permit to be issued, especially in CA, with biannual or annual inspections required validating the systems are operational. A guy with a lighter burned the whole facility down. Doesn't pass the sniff test. Someone disabled the fire system with its fail safes in order for that scenario to happen.
Fire sprinkler systems are not designed to fight fires in multiple locations at the same time.
yes they are especially in large high risk storage scenarios of this fuel type.
This is a paper warehouse of one of the worlds largest toilet paper manufacturers in a warehouse in a state that has the very stringent building occupancy permitting and fire code standards. NFPA 13 and NFPA 25 (among others), drive the requirements that necessitate these systems "shall" perform to the minimum requirements, which will mitigate multiple fires in multiple locations in a single structure.
"Fire Suppression Systems in Large Warehouses Fire suppression systems are crucial for maintaining safety in large warehouses, which often contain high volumes of flammable materials and complex layouts.
Capabilities of Fire Suppression Systems Automatic Activation: These systems are designed to activate automatically when they detect heat or smoke, allowing for rapid response to fire incidents. Multiple Fire Control: Advanced fire suppression systems can extinguish multiple fires simultaneously. They are engineered to control and contain fires effectively, minimizing damage and protecting lives.
I have been designing fire suppression systems for 30 years. NFPA 13 does not require systems to battle multiple fires. There can be project specific requirements that mandate this but code minimum NFPA 13 does not. More than likely this warehouse was protected by ESFR sprinklers, which when flowing all 12 sprinklers that are required to be calculated, would put out a flow more than most public water systems can handle.
NFPA 25 has nothing to do with design criteria and is focused on inspections.
You said they are not designed to handle multiple fires. If what you say is true as a designer of fire suppression systems, then you would know they are and should be able to handle those kind of scenarios. I didn't say NFPA 25 is about design criteria. I referenced it as this code would be integrated part of the maintenance and operations of the system. Perhaps the water system was overwhelmed that wouldn't surprise me. But the guy lighting fires and it became a total loss seems fishy. Anyway the place is gone and that's enough debate on the internet about sprinklers for me. Cheers