I think u/killerspacerobot is talking about "surveillance" as everything can people can publicly watch or access, which is unavoidable as technology grows.
But the crucial difference is that what we were originally talking about was surveillance of private information - like secret wiretapping, devices sending info back home, government eavesdropping on tech like private home cameras, phones etc.
Thats still very much a concern and has to be stopped completely and with transparency.
I live in a world where police can arrest you for saying hurty words and it's impossible to get rid of any unwarranted surveillance systems? Yeah sure. You guys are staring down the barrel of a gun not held by me, but by George Washington, the founders, and basically every single American and allied soldier that ever fought anywhere ever. Just a messenger. Once you go we're all finished.
I remember hearing about this thing called the plunge protection team a while back. It's when they'd control the entire stock market to stop the stock market from crashing. Well, it is money. If wealthy people lose money it might upset them.
I think u/killerspacerobot is talking about "surveillance" as everything can people can publicly watch or access, which is unavoidable as technology grows.
But the crucial difference is that what we were originally talking about was surveillance of private information - like secret wiretapping, devices sending info back home, government eavesdropping on tech like private home cameras, phones etc.
Thats still very much a concern and has to be stopped completely and with transparency.
Good distinction. The kinds of things you are mentioning I would categorize as violations of the 4th Amendment.
I live in a world where police can arrest you for saying hurty words and it's impossible to get rid of any unwarranted surveillance systems? Yeah sure. You guys are staring down the barrel of a gun not held by me, but by George Washington, the founders, and basically every single American and allied soldier that ever fought anywhere ever. Just a messenger. Once you go we're all finished.
Unfortunately, things have to get this extreme before people wake up.
Watch whats happening in UK
I remember hearing about this thing called the plunge protection team a while back. It's when they'd control the entire stock market to stop the stock market from crashing. Well, it is money. If wealthy people lose money it might upset them.