I really do hope that wasn’t a message to me personally. I live in the country where pipelines cross properties citing eminent domain, tear up land (sometimes for years on end). Eventually though, pipelines are put underground and I get that land back to feed my cattle, as long as things go as planned. I don’t get paid shit for their intrusion and their intrusion fvcks up my land value as well as dictates what I can do around the pipeline easement. -Data centers stay and my property value is ruined completely. And no, you don’t get fair compensation for what was family ranch land.
If they’re needed that badly and they’ve solved the water consumption issue great - build them in areas that aren’t needed for ranching and farming.
EDIT: I really do love the attitude of “shut up and take it because it’s for the greater good”. Tell you what, you pick out your little slice of heaven, spend literally decades fixing it up, forgoing vacations so that you can spend your money on building fences, putting up new barns to replace the damaged ones, spending money on building a herd to be told, —they get to claim it for eminent domain and you don’t get to set the price for what they’re taking.
Nothing aimed at you personally - but absolutely aimed at the endless "no more data centers" posts that have taken up a large percentage of posts here lately.
In fact, I agree with you on eminent domain, that's never been right. In Texas, is can only be used for things like highways - not private corporate projects. Still sucks for folks in the path of electrical lines, country roads that are becoming 6 lanes, etc.
The argument should be "end eminent domain" not "no more data centers". The push for data centers is about economic growth - growth that outpaces our competitors and enemies. It is required - without it our current debt is unsustainable. With it, we have a chance to recover and thrive.
At the end of the day, these data centers are look for 3 things - distance to existing electrical transmission lines, distance to existing fiber optic routes, and then cheapest spot. Undeveloped land that lives at and intersection of the first two tends to be the cheapest option, and thus the route they choose.
Wrong about the eminent domain only being used for highways. I had a pipeline come through my small slice of heaven - 50 acre ranch. They bisected it, orphaned is the technical term. They claimed eminent domain, private corporation - natural gas being piped all the way to the coast so that it could be loaded onto tankers and sold to the European market.
It took them 2 YEARS to put that pipeline in the ground - a 3 ft diameter pipeline less than 500 yards from my house at 1200 psi. They made a mess of the entire easement, it still hasn’t recovered and that was 6 years ago. My property value is not the same because of that easement. I had to sell really nice cattle that I had spent time and money to raise because I didn’t have the acreage to have the grass necessary for the number of cattle for the 2 years that they f’d up my property. And I couldn’t afford the hay.
i was considering your point until “undeveloped land” popped up…natural TX land for ranches, farms and such are NOT considered undeveloped by the fifth generation native Texans whose families fought many battles to keep it just the way God designed it!
Again, not disagreeing that land like this means something to the folks who ranch or farm it. Fact remains, if it does not have sewage/wastewater, electrical infrastructure, paved roads, etc. - it is considered undeveloped to the real estate market. Thus, the lower price. If you don't want it changed - don't sell it to the developers.
If the data centers are allowed to claim eminent domain by the government, then we don’t have a choice about selling and we don’t get to set the price of the property.
agree with you, but the ones trying to do the selling, are the ones who inherited it from lineage, don't care about it other than the $$$ it will bring, AND they live in cities far from the land they are trying to disrupt, not caring about destroying the value of others' properties in the area...it just ain't neighborly, but greed is a powerful drug to those so inclined...
Yeah, I get texts and snail mail and even phone calls for the 300 acres that I have down the road that is used for hay pastures and wildlife exemption. Every single one calls the property “undeveloped land”.
THANK YOU!! you are tellin’ it like it is, friend! YOUR comments oughta carry the most weight cuz you have actually had real experiences with these things…lotta people offering their opinions dont have any “skin in the game” living out here…unless it’s the ones who want to get rich quick by selling the land that was cherished by past generations of families…
I really do hope that wasn’t a message to me personally. I live in the country where pipelines cross properties citing eminent domain, tear up land (sometimes for years on end). Eventually though, pipelines are put underground and I get that land back to feed my cattle, as long as things go as planned. I don’t get paid shit for their intrusion and their intrusion fvcks up my land value as well as dictates what I can do around the pipeline easement. -Data centers stay and my property value is ruined completely. And no, you don’t get fair compensation for what was family ranch land.
If they’re needed that badly and they’ve solved the water consumption issue great - build them in areas that aren’t needed for ranching and farming.
EDIT: I really do love the attitude of “shut up and take it because it’s for the greater good”. Tell you what, you pick out your little slice of heaven, spend literally decades fixing it up, forgoing vacations so that you can spend your money on building fences, putting up new barns to replace the damaged ones, spending money on building a herd to be told, —they get to claim it for eminent domain and you don’t get to set the price for what they’re taking.
Nothing aimed at you personally - but absolutely aimed at the endless "no more data centers" posts that have taken up a large percentage of posts here lately.
In fact, I agree with you on eminent domain, that's never been right. In Texas, is can only be used for things like highways - not private corporate projects. Still sucks for folks in the path of electrical lines, country roads that are becoming 6 lanes, etc.
The argument should be "end eminent domain" not "no more data centers". The push for data centers is about economic growth - growth that outpaces our competitors and enemies. It is required - without it our current debt is unsustainable. With it, we have a chance to recover and thrive.
At the end of the day, these data centers are look for 3 things - distance to existing electrical transmission lines, distance to existing fiber optic routes, and then cheapest spot. Undeveloped land that lives at and intersection of the first two tends to be the cheapest option, and thus the route they choose.
Wrong about the eminent domain only being used for highways. I had a pipeline come through my small slice of heaven - 50 acre ranch. They bisected it, orphaned is the technical term. They claimed eminent domain, private corporation - natural gas being piped all the way to the coast so that it could be loaded onto tankers and sold to the European market. It took them 2 YEARS to put that pipeline in the ground - a 3 ft diameter pipeline less than 500 yards from my house at 1200 psi. They made a mess of the entire easement, it still hasn’t recovered and that was 6 years ago. My property value is not the same because of that easement. I had to sell really nice cattle that I had spent time and money to raise because I didn’t have the acreage to have the grass necessary for the number of cattle for the 2 years that they f’d up my property. And I couldn’t afford the hay.
i was considering your point until “undeveloped land” popped up…natural TX land for ranches, farms and such are NOT considered undeveloped by the fifth generation native Texans whose families fought many battles to keep it just the way God designed it!
Again, not disagreeing that land like this means something to the folks who ranch or farm it. Fact remains, if it does not have sewage/wastewater, electrical infrastructure, paved roads, etc. - it is considered undeveloped to the real estate market. Thus, the lower price. If you don't want it changed - don't sell it to the developers.
If the data centers are allowed to claim eminent domain by the government, then we don’t have a choice about selling and we don’t get to set the price of the property.
agree with you, but the ones trying to do the selling, are the ones who inherited it from lineage, don't care about it other than the $$$ it will bring, AND they live in cities far from the land they are trying to disrupt, not caring about destroying the value of others' properties in the area...it just ain't neighborly, but greed is a powerful drug to those so inclined...
Yeah, I get texts and snail mail and even phone calls for the 300 acres that I have down the road that is used for hay pastures and wildlife exemption. Every single one calls the property “undeveloped land”.
THANK YOU!! you are tellin’ it like it is, friend! YOUR comments oughta carry the most weight cuz you have actually had real experiences with these things…lotta people offering their opinions dont have any “skin in the game” living out here…unless it’s the ones who want to get rich quick by selling the land that was cherished by past generations of families…