Data Centers & Propaganda
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I’ll admit that I’ve not been too happy about the idea of more data centers and how that might affect my privacy, not to mention the environment, and more importantly farms and ranches. This X post gave me some things to think about.
not sure about this guy's credentials, already admitting that nobody is watching his output..."trust me bro" just doesn't cut it with me these days...
Tik Tok, smh. C’mon man, where is the money flow? Prove they’re paying. Most folks know that we may be in a race with China over A.I. where did they get the tech? Most Americans know that China’s goods are not so good. Last time we were in a race with a country, they faked a moon landing.
Perfect the science, do the work and don’t FN worry about what China is doing.
If my country men & women are voicing serious issues with these data centers, then the billionaire technology oligarchs are not doing something right. The people complaining are not Chinese nationals.
The discussions surrounding data centers are important and should be done in a free society. But what is not okay is the amount of influence coming from China over this issue and it needs to be taken seriously. Once again, these organized influence operations taking place in the US seem to be linked to Roy Singham and the CCP. Why? Who wins if the AI race is derailed?
I have been troubled lately by what appears to be a very coordinated and sophisticated attack on data centers. Something smelt fishy about the level of it that seems to have started all at once. It had hallmarks of a CCP influence operation. The CCP is very good at taking genuine concerns of citizens and weaponizing them to further CCP agendas. We must be able to distinguish between the legitimate concerns of Americans and when those concerns are being hijacked by nation states that do not have our interests at heart.
Worth listening to and considering. Found this last night. @laowhy86 lived in China for around 10 years and traveled extensively around the country. He barely escaped out of China prior to being picked up by the CCP. He knows the CCP and spends his time trying to wake Americans up to what the CCP is doing and what is actually happening in China. This message needs to be taken seriously.
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faked a moon landing???
It is what I think. I don’t really believe we did it.
Be careful telling buzz aldrin that....
He’s not in my sphere of frens & acquaintances.
Anyone who isn't opposed to these things has done zero actual research on them and what they bring to the table.
Gotta be honest, I’m still looking at the information and that means seeing both sides of the coin.
not sure what your point is...are you saying they are good? in rural TX areas, we are being inundated with high pressure tactics, but we do not want them in OUR back yards...land is relatively cheaper out here, but our water resources are already critical for sustainable farming, ranching and families...not to mention the light pollution, sound pollution, air pollution, effects on wildlife/birds, etc...
I’m not saying that they are good or bad. I’m in rural TX, if I told you where I live you probably still would have an extremely difficult time finding it on the map. Pipelines love to cross through my area on the way to the coast because our land is cheap because we’re away from the big city. I run cattle on my land. So I do know what you’re talking about. I’m simply looking at both sides of an issue.
no, I'm saying if you've done any research, you should be 100% opposed to them
yes thats what i was hoping you were thinking…agree totally!!
I love how he addressed zero of the surveillance and control grid concerns.
Being opposed to data centers is the equivalent of opposing Ford's assembly line in 1900. They are quite literally, the factories for the next industrial revolution.
Be concerned about water consumption - sure. They are already moving beyond this, and it only works in certain geographies. Being 'against them all' because of 'my privacy' is low IQ drivel. Sorry - but it is true.
Do you realize that every ma and pa shop out there has to have a digital presence to compete today? Especially against the Amazon's of the world? They have two options - put servers in these very same data centers -- or pay 5x to 'put it in the cloud'... which use these very same data centers. C'mon folks - we are better than this. Think!
I really do hope that wasn’t a message to me personally. I live in the country where pipelines cross properties citing eminent domain, tear up land (sometimes for years on end). Eventually though, pipelines are put underground and I get that land back to feed my cattle, as long as things go as planned. I don’t get paid shit for their intrusion and their intrusion fvcks up my land value as well as dictates what I can do around the pipeline easement. -Data centers stay and my property value is ruined completely. And no, you don’t get fair compensation for what was family ranch land.
If they’re needed that badly and they’ve solved the water consumption issue great - build them in areas that aren’t needed for ranching and farming.
EDIT: I really do love the attitude of “shut up and take it because it’s for the greater good”. Tell you what, you pick out your little slice of heaven, spend literally decades fixing it up, forgoing vacations so that you can spend your money on building fences, putting up new barns to replace the damaged ones, spending money on building a herd to be told, —they get to claim it for eminent domain and you don’t get to set the price for what they’re taking.
Nothing aimed at you personally - but absolutely aimed at the endless "no more data centers" posts that have taken up a large percentage of posts here lately.
In fact, I agree with you on eminent domain, that's never been right. In Texas, is can only be used for things like highways - not private corporate projects. Still sucks for folks in the path of electrical lines, country roads that are becoming 6 lanes, etc.
The argument should be "end eminent domain" not "no more data centers". The push for data centers is about economic growth - growth that outpaces our competitors and enemies. It is required - without it our current debt is unsustainable. With it, we have a chance to recover and thrive.
At the end of the day, these data centers are look for 3 things - distance to existing electrical transmission lines, distance to existing fiber optic routes, and then cheapest spot. Undeveloped land that lives at and intersection of the first two tends to be the cheapest option, and thus the route they choose.
Wrong about the eminent domain only being used for highways. I had a pipeline come through my small slice of heaven - 50 acre ranch. They bisected it, orphaned is the technical term. They claimed eminent domain, private corporation - natural gas being piped all the way to the coast so that it could be loaded onto tankers and sold to the European market. It took them 2 YEARS to put that pipeline in the ground - a 3 ft diameter pipeline less than 500 yards from my house at 1200 psi. They made a mess of the entire easement, it still hasn’t recovered and that was 6 years ago. My property value is not the same because of that easement. I had to sell really nice cattle that I had spent time and money to raise because I didn’t have the acreage to have the grass necessary for the number of cattle for the 2 years that they f’d up my property. And I couldn’t afford the hay.
i was considering your point until “undeveloped land” popped up…natural TX land for ranches, farms and such are NOT considered undeveloped by the fifth generation native Texans whose families fought many battles to keep it just the way God designed it!
Again, not disagreeing that land like this means something to the folks who ranch or farm it. Fact remains, if it does not have sewage/wastewater, electrical infrastructure, paved roads, etc. - it is considered undeveloped to the real estate market. Thus, the lower price. If you don't want it changed - don't sell it to the developers.
If the data centers are allowed to claim eminent domain by the government, then we don’t have a choice about selling and we don’t get to set the price of the property.
agree with you, but the ones trying to do the selling, are the ones who inherited it from lineage, don't care about it other than the $$$ it will bring, AND they live in cities far from the land they are trying to disrupt, not caring about destroying the value of others' properties in the area...it just ain't neighborly, but greed is a powerful drug to those so inclined...
Yeah, I get texts and snail mail and even phone calls for the 300 acres that I have down the road that is used for hay pastures and wildlife exemption. Every single one calls the property “undeveloped land”.
THANK YOU!! you are tellin’ it like it is, friend! YOUR comments oughta carry the most weight cuz you have actually had real experiences with these things…lotta people offering their opinions dont have any “skin in the game” living out here…unless it’s the ones who want to get rich quick by selling the land that was cherished by past generations of families…
Now do carbon capture. I have many local friends that are convinced that it’s going to destroy the lake and kill everyone when it inevitably fails and blows up.
I’d rather have a brutal, hard strike overhaul on US education first then compete with China over AI. Kids can’t read, tell time, or answer basic questions for assignments. What good is wining an AI race when the population is quite literally dumb.
You make a very good point anon.
There has been something that has bothered me about this sudden push back against data centers that smacked of a CCP influence operation. Too coordinated in multiple areas at the same time, similar talking points, and organized by NGOs and other various groups. Nothing about this is organic and has all the hallmarks of a CCP operation. I am not alone. I had suspicions that many of the groups "concerned" about data centers would eventually lead back to Roy Singham and the CCP. It seems that my suspicions were well founded.
@laowhy86 spent around 10 years living and working in China. He spends his time trying to educate Americans about the CCP and their influence operations and their goals. I have watched him for a number of years and his work is insightful. I disagree with him on some of his opinions, but overall his work about the CCP is solid.
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AI generated answer.
That is changing. O'Leary is providing the evidence no doubt to Treasury and Homeland Security. He is talking to the administration who is also sounding the alarm on CCP influence.
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Discussions over AI data center concerns are worthy to have in a free society. But we all need to be aware of when those discussions are being influenced by others - especially others that are hostile to our way of life and already have a track record in organized influence operations within the US.
This AI race will determine our future trajectory, like it or not. This truth is not lost on the CCP for one minute and they are pouring billions into trying to thwart our participation and voice in that future. They fully understand what is at stake here. We must understand this as well and learn to distinguish between knowledgeable legitimate concerns to guide the AI process, and those concerns that have been weaponized by CCP propaganda.
I agree with you about American citizens being propagandized by foreign actors. We should look at it very closely and make sure we’re not having a knee jerk reaction to it. On the other hand, I’m in rural TX and I don’t want to be told by the government that I have to give up my slice of heaven for pennies on the dollar for the “greater good”.
I agree with you. Intelligent discussions over how this AI technology is to be grown and implemented are legitimate and should be done and heard. We cannot escape that the fact that this tech has been, and is going to be used going forward. It is critical for our future on so many levels - like it or not. Simply taking a stand for or against is frankly, low IQ. But as I already stated, something about this latest anti-data center movement just doesn't smell right. I have been following CCP operations for too long not to recognize it. I am not alone in this suspicion. This too is a discussion that should take place in order to educate people. Americans continue to succumb to CCP influence operations.