Employers across America are reportedly being told to FIRE THOUSANDS of migrant workers
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What do you think about the businesses who hire workers here on visas, legally, because they're cheaper than US citizens?
The majority of illegal immigrants in the US are from people who originally came over legally on visas, and just never left when their visas expired. So the more visas we create to bring workers over, the higher the rate of potential future illegals we have.
My view is that this is economically identical to an imported service: work done by a foreign national. Just because they are present in the U.S. doesn't mean they are not a foreign national. So, I say that such work should bear a tariff just as if it were performed in another country. Maybe it would still be cheaper than U.S. citizens, but at least the economics would be fair under law. (Many of these workers are willing to live under conditions of squalor that a westerner would not even consider. How does one deal with that? Living abstemiously is not a crime.)
I don't accept that the majority of illegal immigrants came over legally. There has been far too much intrusion across the southern border for that to be credible.
As for those who overstay their visa, I am somewhat familiar with them. It is common among Africans. Their employment is fairly legal (example: home care) in occupations that are open to whites but the whites don't apply. The whites whine and put on airs, live off their parents, or go on relief. Tightening up on welfare might push them into the labor market. But back to the visa overstays: they need to go. My wife had a green card, but she was very critical of those who overstayed. They are frequently nice and hard-working people, but once a person falls into an illegal category, the barrier to further illegality goes away. And, frankly, many Africans have the mindset of "It hasn't happened yet," and glide on. But they do not think of themselves as Americans, so they should not expect to be treated as such. (My wife is so Americanized, she was for Trump before he even came on the scene, and takes deep vicarious pride in American accomplishments. The only step left is naturalization.)
What is showing up lately are illegals who may have had visas, outstayed them, and have been accepted into occupations for which they are unqualified (e.g., Indian semi-truck drivers) and are operating under bogus credentials issued by corrupt agencies. Where does one begin to point the finger? Criminality all around. It is not an economic argument when criminal activity is integral to what happens.
It is the age-old problem of standards not being met, laws not being followed, and corners being cut. Both the customer and the laborer are being cheated by the criminal enterprise, and low-lifes are the only ones who thrive. This is economic gutter trash that needs to be scooped up and thrown out. Lots of accumulation. I expect better ideas will come along in due time.
On the other side, we need to cease with the respect given to worthless college degrees. A degree in 17th-century Bulgarian literature is not anywhere close to a degree in electrical engineering in most market economies (I hope).
All valid points. It has been proven by numerous studies that these people over the course of their lives, along with their family members, are net takers and not contributors to the society they are leeching from. We need to reset. Will that reset be pain free? No, but it must be done. What we are currently doing is unsustainable in the long run. This is a matter of economic and societal survival. And you are most correct in that in order to fill many more skilled jobs we need to stop giving away useless degrees that prepare young adults to do absolutely nothing productive. They either end up working for the government or teaching others how to obtain the same useless degrees.
The other page: it will also alleviate the pain being imposed on many millions of Americans through unjustly imposed tax burdens. That it comes down so heavily now on the immigrants is only a reflection of the pain their burden has inflicted for decades. I have sympathy...but not much. I am among those they burdened. I predict the press will never mention this lifting of the burden pain.
Also true. The ones that will be impacted the most negatively will be employers that have been getting away with slave labor, the NGO's that grift off of those same migrants that are being exploited, and the criminal organizations that facilitate a large percentage of the trafficking. But in the long run those foreigners will be better off and much safer. There will be disruptions in the labor markets that will cause some economic distress that does effect the country. But those disruptions will be temporary until the adjustments can take place and a new normal is found. Lots of boohooing and lots of liberal tears. Too bad. We are trying to save the country instead of destroying it if we continue to stay on the same trajectory. Everyone will be better off in the end.
That's a common idea, because of all the media attention given to the people crossing the border illegally.
But for decades, multiple administrations, including both of President Trump's administrations, have studied the info and ALL of them, over many decades, have concluded that the majority of illegal workers are the result of people over here on legal work/tourist/student visas who just never left when their visas expired.
It's hard to swallow that sometimes, because we're constantly told that if we just tighten up border security/build a wall, most of our problems with illegals will go away. Knowing that we're actively importing people that have a high probability of becoming illegals themselves is like a slap in the face.
Okay. I'd be glad to see the numbers. As it is now, the number of border intrusions is possibly around 20 million. But legals coming here is not an "import" by us; they come because they want to. Them staying here overtime is our flaw.