So, we're countenancing public vandalism in order to satisfy neurotic fears? When they even admit that such technology is not necessary to impose tyranny? And that we are protected by the 4th Amerndment....so long as it is supported?
All I know is that this technology could have deterred or solved the break-in and burglary of my house, restoring my property and bringing the culprit to justice. Or the break-in and burglary of my car in a church parking lot. These are very pragmatic and freedom-sustaining possible benefits.
But---while engaging in fancies of being suspected of criminal action---these vandals go out to destroy public property and boast of their doings. Hmmm....maybe the government would be correct in going after them. Nothing like giving the government a casus belli on a silver platter. Typical self-destructive behavior of the immature mind.
Let's see... Communists retake power, suppress dissent, and implement climate lockdowns with max miles per period of time. A faraday bag and pre-2020 car used to suffice... not with Flock.
F = 6.
These things also have a 19 amp hour battery in them.
19 = S = Satan
Easy to do without Flock cameras. Just require a travel pass for specific destinations and days of the week and regular checkpoints. A tyranny knows very well there is no climate concern; it would only be a pretext. (And spare me the bogus numerology. S = Superman, or Seraphim, or Sugarcake.)
What I am now curious about is why you so urgently want a crime-fighting tool to be disused. What next? Disarm the police? Defund the police? A person is known by his bedfellows.
The Stupid never stops. "Uh...I'm concerned that the government will use these cameras (in some way I don't yet know) to hunt me down. I'd better conduct some public vandalism to head that off at the pass and prevent their use to pursue criminals (like me)." No "chance" involved when you premeditate public vandalism, commit it, and celebrate it.
This is like excusing bank robbers because they figured "why take a chance?" on having no cash on hand.
I am older and the future is always a problem. But I am old enough to understand that certain vaguely fearful futures are not feasible, and neurosis is not a basis for public policy...to solve a "problem" that violates no one's rights.
And, like any good doctor, I understand that it is better to treat the cause of a problem, than to treat its supposed symptoms.
The government never does anything in moderation. Once they have a camera at each intersection and the public fails to resist, they will continue to encroach and deepen the assault on your privacy. Each step justifies the next step. Soon, every cell phone camera becomes a tool to violate your privacy without a warrant.
Are they guilty of warrantless surveillance and tracking? I think they are! If so, they are violating your civil rights. Looking at the flock camera website, the flock camera near my home is being monitored by the local police department
United States v. Jones (2012)
Police violated the Fourth Amendment by attaching a GPS tracker to a car without a warrant.
Why it matters: The Court recognized that monitoring a person’s movements is a search requiring judicial oversight.
Never fails that you will be on the wrong side of every argument, good job.
And if they did, so what? They still can't muster the manpower to snoop on everyone. Nobody wants to take off that bedsheet. Besides, what privacy? You still can't seem to get it straight that being in public is not private. Who is forcing you to buy a cell phone?
Are they guilty of warrantless surveillance and tracking? I don't think you need a warrant to surveil; that's just collecting general data. And tracking? ARE they? That's the question...not what you imagine they are doing. What civil rights would they be violating if they are not intruding on your actual privacy? How is the flock camera near your home any different than a cop on a beat?
A person's car is a person's property, so there are 4th Amendment protections. They messed with his property to obtain the monitoring, so that's off limits. A person's public movements are not actually a matter of privacy (anyone can see him), so the court may have ruled mistakenly on that point.
I don't think I have been "on the wrong side of every argument", since I don't recall any exchanges with you.
In the whole matter, so long as the surveillance is of public spaces, there is no intrusion on the 4th Amendment, and the fear is groundless. The point is to use it to track down criminals, and I think that is a worthwhile function. It is the whole point of why we have police. Or do you want us to have no police?
So, we're countenancing public vandalism in order to satisfy neurotic fears? When they even admit that such technology is not necessary to impose tyranny? And that we are protected by the 4th Amerndment....so long as it is supported?
All I know is that this technology could have deterred or solved the break-in and burglary of my house, restoring my property and bringing the culprit to justice. Or the break-in and burglary of my car in a church parking lot. These are very pragmatic and freedom-sustaining possible benefits.
But---while engaging in fancies of being suspected of criminal action---these vandals go out to destroy public property and boast of their doings. Hmmm....maybe the government would be correct in going after them. Nothing like giving the government a casus belli on a silver platter. Typical self-destructive behavior of the immature mind.
Let's see... Communists retake power, suppress dissent, and implement climate lockdowns with max miles per period of time. A faraday bag and pre-2020 car used to suffice... not with Flock.
F = 6. These things also have a 19 amp hour battery in them. 19 = S = Satan
Easy to do without Flock cameras. Just require a travel pass for specific destinations and days of the week and regular checkpoints. A tyranny knows very well there is no climate concern; it would only be a pretext. (And spare me the bogus numerology. S = Superman, or Seraphim, or Sugarcake.)
What I am now curious about is why you so urgently want a crime-fighting tool to be disused. What next? Disarm the police? Defund the police? A person is known by his bedfellows.
Some people figure why take a chance.
The Stupid never stops. "Uh...I'm concerned that the government will use these cameras (in some way I don't yet know) to hunt me down. I'd better conduct some public vandalism to head that off at the pass and prevent their use to pursue criminals (like me)." No "chance" involved when you premeditate public vandalism, commit it, and celebrate it.
This is like excusing bank robbers because they figured "why take a chance?" on having no cash on hand.
I'm guessing you are older,and the future is not your problem.
Or one of the silent thieves. The same cabal that pushed Covid and the 2008 bubble is also pushing for Flock.
He must either have zero discernment, not touched the drops, or be a shill.
u/#q4962
I am older and the future is always a problem. But I am old enough to understand that certain vaguely fearful futures are not feasible, and neurosis is not a basis for public policy...to solve a "problem" that violates no one's rights.
And, like any good doctor, I understand that it is better to treat the cause of a problem, than to treat its supposed symptoms.
The government never does anything in moderation. Once they have a camera at each intersection and the public fails to resist, they will continue to encroach and deepen the assault on your privacy. Each step justifies the next step. Soon, every cell phone camera becomes a tool to violate your privacy without a warrant.
Are they guilty of warrantless surveillance and tracking? I think they are! If so, they are violating your civil rights. Looking at the flock camera website, the flock camera near my home is being monitored by the local police department
United States v. Jones (2012)
Police violated the Fourth Amendment by attaching a GPS tracker to a car without a warrant. Why it matters: The Court recognized that monitoring a person’s movements is a search requiring judicial oversight.
Never fails that you will be on the wrong side of every argument, good job.
And if they did, so what? They still can't muster the manpower to snoop on everyone. Nobody wants to take off that bedsheet. Besides, what privacy? You still can't seem to get it straight that being in public is not private. Who is forcing you to buy a cell phone?
Are they guilty of warrantless surveillance and tracking? I don't think you need a warrant to surveil; that's just collecting general data. And tracking? ARE they? That's the question...not what you imagine they are doing. What civil rights would they be violating if they are not intruding on your actual privacy? How is the flock camera near your home any different than a cop on a beat?
A person's car is a person's property, so there are 4th Amendment protections. They messed with his property to obtain the monitoring, so that's off limits. A person's public movements are not actually a matter of privacy (anyone can see him), so the court may have ruled mistakenly on that point.
I don't think I have been "on the wrong side of every argument", since I don't recall any exchanges with you.
In the whole matter, so long as the surveillance is of public spaces, there is no intrusion on the 4th Amendment, and the fear is groundless. The point is to use it to track down criminals, and I think that is a worthwhile function. It is the whole point of why we have police. Or do you want us to have no police?