Where does it give any indications at all that space exists, other planets exist, or that we live in a vast universe?
It doesn't.
That doesn't mean space is fake, but there is undeniably a movement of interpreting the Bible through the lens of the world, instead of interpreting the world through the lens of the Bible.
The easy answer is that the creation account tells us everything we need to know, and that space isn't in there in a way we can understand by solely reading the Bible, because it is fake.
Easy doesn't mean true, of course, but still; I find that reading the Bible in a way that it only makes sense when we have prerequisite worldly knowledge, is no way to discern what the Bible is saying. The Bible stands firm throughout time. We shouldn't have to do linguistic gymnastics to make it out that the Bible is confirming something it very clearly doesn't say, and that no one took it to say for most of its existence.
See, here's the thing:
I'm not a bot.
I also don't work for the CIA.
Yet I remain open to all ideas. While I don't think the Earth is flat, I'm not going to dismiss outright something I don't know enough about. So when I see this thread, where people are simply indicating that they like to stay open-minded, and then those people, some of them well known users, get effectively attacked and derided by overly emotional responses, well the downvotes are perfectly explained.
Ironically, it seems that the less well known users are the ones attacking the better known ones as bots, shills, and CIA plants. At least in a few cases in this thread. Not that that matters, just an interesting observation.
You proved her point. Quite well, in fact.
Also, when I see a plane go overhead, I see a plane go overhead. I don't know that the real reason any of that works is what they say, because I'm not an expert on physics or on airplanes.
When I fall, I know that I'm going down. I don't know anything about gravity because you can't observe gravity. You can observe things falling. Now, that doesn't mean gravity is "muh fake", but maybe it is and the reason we go down is completely different, and we don't understand it at all. The same goes for light. We know light exists. We can observe that. Everything else is as suspect as the studies that claim the vax is safe that get sent down from on high, with the intent that we just blindly believe them.
What I'm not going to do is "trust the authorities" that tell me it works because of this or that reason. I'm also not going to go around saying it's all fake because it obviously isn't. But I will remain agnostic on the topic unless I care enough to do deeper research. To go back to gravity, I don't really care enough. It continues to work, and I don't make rocket ships for a living, so it's a side issue at best when there's so many more important and relevant things to look into.
And I become more and more convinced as time goes on that most "science" is just theoretical bullshit. It can't be observed, it can't be falsified, all you can really do is believe what they tell you about it, and I've had my fill of believing worthless authorities that are proven liars.
Ironically, all you're doing here is lumping people in to one big group. Either you believe the Earth is round unconditionally, or you're an FE retard. "Some people call everything fake, so that's what they all think!".
And as NanaQ45 pointed out, the responses that people get when bringing up the topic, are the same as they get talking to normies about the vaccine. That is itself compelling, and shows that there is something likely hidden under the surface. Maybe there isn't, and maybe you're right, but when this is how you present your position, the first thing I want to do is run the other way and find the guy you're calling a retard and an idiot.
How in the world does FE give cause to stop digging any more than "the CIA assassinated JFK" or "vaccines cause autism"?
Why is there no evidence, no digging, no research on this disinfo campaign? Just claims that it is and people attacking anyone who doesn't tow the party line that that's what it is.
This is a research board, right? Maybe instead of shitting on people, you could present actual evidence that the FE stuff is exclusively a blackhat psyop? And if you can't, maybe you should say nothing if you have nothing nice, productive, or useful to add.
So far, this thread is just people throwing shit and truisms.
When the director of the CIA says that "We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false", I believe him.
The American public believes the Earth is round. This either means they succeeded in getting everyone to falsely believe it is round, or it means they failed in getting everyone to falsely believe it is flat.
Either way, I believe him on his stated goal. As for how we know that statement is itself not a lie: Since it's leaked and not intentionally released, I'd say it's not. But also, even if it was intentionally leaked, all it shows is that we have to question everything because the powers that be clearly want us confused and without clear truth.
Either way, the solution is not to have blind faith in things.
So... this entire thread?
He never said the Earth was flat, but you certainly proved the point he was making. Ironic.
And yes, there is a model that explains the seasons in all hemispheres. Doesn't make it true, and I'm certainly no "flat Earth model expert", but it exists.
Also, if you're trying to convince anyone on the fence of what you are saying, you should try a new tactic. This highly emotional attack approach only serves to make me want to hear more about the "flat earth nonsense". The same way that Dr Fauci really makes me want to be an anti-vaxxer (and rightly so, I'd say, in that case).
These kinds of comments read like the MSM's "No! Look here not there!" shit.
I mean, these are clearly bots, sure, but are they cabal bots? How would we know?
But let's say they are, that still leaves two possibilities:
- They are employing bots to say stupid shit to discount it because it's true. To a degree, this makes sense. I haven't seen very much here to display that anyone understands what actual FE believers think, or what the arguments are. Only a bunch of nonsense about turtles and "flat disk in space, while all other planets are round".
Meanwhile, on X, I can find a few accounts that at least make plausible sounding claims, and that present models that are mostly workable alternatives, at least on the surface. That's not to say there aren't issues, because none of them seem to be able to explain the Southern Hemisphere's stars being different or the lunar eclipse very well. But I digress.
If it's this one, it's working.
- They are employing bots to make curious normies think the "conspiracy types" are all just nutjobs who think the Earth is flat. This is the more traditional view of the purpose of FE, and also makes sense. While it seems counter-intuitive to a critical thinker, there are plenty of people who will say shit like "oh, that's just some flat Earth nonsense" in response to literally everything that isn't on CNN.
If it's this one, it's working.
And of course, not many are actually "calling out" any disinformation. There is certainly no research in here showing that these are cabal bots owned by 'x' organization that are employing 'y' coordinated talking point.
This thread is basically just people shitting on views that flat earthers don't actually, from what I can tell, hold, or people making grandiose claims that every single person promoting FE is some CIA plant (which ironically will also just drive away certain honest truth seekers), and then there's the people saying we should be more open-minded in response to certain theories like FE (not that we should entertain it all the time, but just that people's response to it here is unfounded).
What isn't here, is anyone doing a dig on these bots and then people saying we should be open-minded to FE in response to that.
What is here, is people dismissing FE out of hand for what clearly appears to be more emotional and/or "political" (in that we don't want to drive people away from our more important research, so many find it better to just ignore, or even attack, FE) reasons.
Many people seem more emotion rather than critical in this thread, which is rare for this forum. At least, that's my observation.
Most people? Absolutely. Doesn't make it flat, but most people 100% absolutely believe it because it's what they were told ever since they could think. And because of that, they don't think about it, they just believe it.
Unless you think the blue haired libtards who think there are 87 bazillion genders understand the science behind the shape of the Earth? I wouldn't bet on it, seeing as most of them can't even point to China on a map.
I like how the claim is that FE discounts our movement, yet here you are throwing out glowie accusations like candy, which only serves to drive honest people away from us.
Any person who comes here believing flat Earth but not Q, is going to run for the hills if they see this. All you're doing is killing any chance of them accepting our ideas.
Basically, you're a dumbass, and it's immensely fucking ironic that you complained about ad hominem in your other comment, meanwhile you're throwing out accusations and ad hominem attacks, once again, like candy. Maybe take a look in the mirror, anon.
And to pose another argument, lest you cry ad hominem, even if FE is solely a CIA psyop, so what? Do you really think no one believes it? No one fell for one of the CIA's oldest ops? Every single person who believes it is employed by the CIA? No conspiracy types believe in this particular conspiracy? And you know this because of your time in the tiny portion of the internet that is 4chan?
Protestantism divided; before then virtually everyone agreed.
How many books are in the Bible? Are they infallible?
Yea, it'd be really easy to drop the (already small) amount of flat Earthers to basically zero if they just released some pictures. And to put any other concerns about the truth of our world to rest.
It may not be flat, but I agree they are certainly hiding something, because if not it would be exceedingly easy to just take some pictures to "own the flerfs".
You people love not answering questions.
Just spew your uninformed opinion, throw in some ad hominem, and move on like you won and "told him!".
Your ignorance is blinding and your hatred unChristian. Your disdain for Catholicism is palpable. "By their fruits you will know them". Your fruit is sour and repugnant.
Intriguing; very intriguing.
Fair enough, actually. It was the Anon who gave the year. Q only gave a day/month and then in post 2 said she wasn't arrested yet but was only detained.
Though it does seem like those posts were indicating she'd be arrested, and they seemed to be very time specific. I can't imagine massive, country wide riots if she was announced as having been arrested today.
Most of the post 1 content seems like it would only make sense when the emotions were high right after the election. Again, I can't imagine anyone giving a shit if Hilldog got arrested today. Though the dates Q mentioned are still open to coming to pass, since there was no year, to be fair. The whole national guard thing could still happen.
The Guardian is out in full force. They threw out a few "far rights", said people think he's crazy a couple times, and pulled out an unappealing picture that made him look like "an evil meanie dictatator!", among other things.
I did; I became a Catholic after first becoming a Protestant.
In fact, I thought I had my eyes open, but now I believe they were covered by scales. Scales which melted away miraculously after reading a compelling argument in favor of the Church. Everything else clicked in from there.
As for the things they hide, I don't like it, and I pray God reveals that which is hidden when He deems it time to do so, but that hardly discounts the Church entirely. No man is sinless. The Church can be Christ's even if the individual members that make it up are sinful Men.
And to be clear, my point on "hiding" was related to their presentation of themselves. Obviously there are secrets, as the very article above shows, but they present themselves as the Holy Roman Catholic Church. They don't use 100 different names and hide in the shadows. And they are constantly attacked by the ones that do.
So while there are secrets, their doctrines, their claims, and their very name is not one of them. Meanwhile, the powers and principalities of our world change names like clothes, whether their personal names or the names of the organizations and secret societies they control.
It proves nothing alone, yes. That's why it's only supporting evidence, as I said.
Also, Islam is very clearly fake and gay, and clearly not of God. 2000 years of Catholics, the vast majority being good and upright people, is not the same. We can easily tell Islam is false, but with the RCC, there is a claim that they are the one true Church, and there is certainly evidence in favor of this, of which the Church still existing is but one piece for me.
So the fruits of the Church are generally good, while the fruits of Islam are generally bad. So I don't think they are really comparable as it relates to my point.
And the RCC is not fragmented. Just because people have fallen away from the Church and changed up doctrine, doesn't make it so.
Further, people splitting from the Church neither disproves it nor proves it, any more than a Protestant becoming a Catholic empirically proves anything.
And none are absolved of their sins but through the Grace of God. That's hardly an argument against the claims of the Church.
I used to be like many here. Actively hostile to certain theories, such as flat earth. And I guess I understand it. If there was any significant amount of FE shit here, curious people would just write us off and leave.
But anyway, I hadn't the first clue about any of what I was talking about, and maybe that's my problem now; I just don't know enough, but I still held fast to being anti-flat Earth like it was a religion. So it was dogma more than true understanding, at least for me.
Now I don't know if it's flat, I've seen some compelling stuff, but there are also problems with no answers, but what I can't do anymore is go "There is a cabal of Satan worshiping elite pedophiles who eat children and drink their blood... BUT flat Earth? NO WAY!" and maintain my internal sense of intellectual honesty.
Q also said Hillary Clinton would be arrested. Which even if you subscribe to the theory that she has been, is not publicly apparent, and certainly not officially confirmed, in any way.
The Bible does not describe a random and chaotic impact event coincidentally creating our planet (which is a silly notion; chaos does not beget order). The Bible describes the Sovereign Creator of All making the Earth according to His design.
The latter is the best explanation because God is real and Christ is Lord. The former sucks because it completely removes God from the equation in all but name.
I mean, the claim is that space is entirely fake and that gravity is fundamentally misunderstood in how it works.
No "serious" (heh) flat earther thinks the Earth is a floating, flat disk in space going around the sun, with all the other planets being round.
That's the thing, these seeming bot comments could just as well exist to discredit FE, rather than to discredit us.
And then everyone latches on as if this shit is actually what flat Earthers believe.