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upchuck-hatbox 1 point ago +1 / -0

You're asking me to describe my world view to you

You keep saying this but it's not true. I'm not asking for your entire worldview, I'm just asking about the stuff contained in the image you posted to start this topic. That image has the Georgia Guidestones and the covid vaccine in it. I want to know how those things are related, how you know, and why. That's all. Again, to reiterate, all I've asked is:

* Who built the Georgia Guidestones?
* How do you know?
* Why did they build them?
* How is this related to the vaccine?

Here's an answer that at least has the right shape for those questions: "Joe Smith built the Guidestones. We know because we looked at his business records, available here (link), which show a large payment to a company called 'GG Monument LLC', in Georgia, a couple weeks before the construction on the monument began, for the exact amount that the Guidestones cost. We think he did it because he's a Scientologist, as evidenced by pictures of him at these Scientology meetings (link). In Dianetics, one of Scientology's main books, it calls for the creation of such a monument (link to the passage in the book). This is all related to the vaccines because Joe Smith went on to be a cofounder of GlaxoSmithKline, a major pharmaceutical manufacturer."

If you had said something like that, I would have said "oh, that's very interesting, maybe these guys are actually onto something. Maybe I'll look into the other stuff they're talking about".

Unfortunately, your answer doesn't resemble this. So far you've only given me vague references to topics that seem completely unrelated to what I'm asking. What do the Guidestones have to do with Masonic court systems run by the Vatican, quintillions of dollars in gold, logographic thinking, etc? No idea. Why is the city of London, ancient Babylonians, the House of Saud, etc, related to these specific questions? No idea. They don't even seem like the kind of topics that could possibly lead to answers for these questions. Ancient Babylonians certainly didn't build the monument, it was built in 1980.

Given your refusal to give an answer that even plausibly begins to make sense for those questions, I'm forced to assume you don't have an answer. Since you don't have an answer, I have no inclination to do a bunch of additional research.

I hope realizing that your worldview can't produce an intelligible answer to these simple questions causes you to reflect and reconsider.

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upchuck-hatbox 1 point ago +1 / -0

That's... actually not what I said. I just asked for a direct answer to my simple questions. It now seems like you're not ever going to give me one, so I'm forced to conclude that it is, in fact, just a big goose chase with no real answer at the end.

I'm gonna level with you too. I'd like you to be honest with yourself... do YOU actually know the answer to my questions? If you can't answer these simple, obvious questions, how certain are you that these various conspiracies you believe in actually make sense?

Really think about it. Even if you can't tell me the answers, for whatever reasons, you should try to lay it out for yourself, privately, just to make sure you can actually get from point A (some monument in Georgia) to point Z (covid vaccines are bad) in a way that makes sense to you. If you can't, I hope it makes you pause and reconsider some of this stuff.

Because, to be honest, your post about the end goal of all this being a world with quintillions of dollars of gold spread amongst everyone, everyone having beautiful homes on minimum wage, etc... all that just sounds like a wish fulfillment fantasy to me. Are you certain you're not believing these things just because you want that future to come true?

Think about it. How much of your beliefs are because you WANT them to be true, rather than actually having good reasons to believe that they ARE true?

Like you said in another post, I don't gain anything from changing your mind (or not), except to say that I don't think it's good for America when its people live in totally different factual universes. I don't think a nation can survive long in that state. And looking at your post history and how deep into this stuff you are, I really think you're on the wrong path.

I really hope you'll try to answer my questions for yourself, at least, and really think about whether those answers truly make sense.

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upchuck-hatbox 2 points ago +2 / -0

Any chance of an answer on these u/TheQStrategy?

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upchuck-hatbox 1 point ago +1 / -0

Are we getting closer to an understanding?

Honestly, no, not really. You're not answering the easy questions. I understand that I might not grasp the full significance, but can you just give me a real answer so I know there IS an answer?

It seems like you're just trying to send me on an endless goose chase where there's never an actual answer.

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upchuck-hatbox 2 points ago +2 / -0

Sorry, but, to continue with the analogy, I think even if I told you my company was going to be worth quintillions of dollars, you still wouldn't do all that research or give me your money without answering your questions. I haven't yet given you a reason to think my company will be worth ANY money. Right?

What you're saying sounds nice, but so far you still haven't given me any reason to believe it's real. Does that make sense?

Of course, if you happen to have a spare $100k you want to give me, I do actually happen to have EXACTLY such a company! (jk)

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upchuck-hatbox 2 points ago +2 / -0

I'm going to just make this one reply instead of replying to all your posts since you're making a bunch.

To first give you an analogy for my perspective:

Imagine I came up to you and said I've got a really great business idea and I want you to loan me $100,000 so I can work on it for a while. You'd probably have some questions -- what's the business? Who are your customers? How big is the market? Imagine I say I can answer all your questions, but you won't understand the answers yet. To understand my answers, first you'll have to learn Arabic, read the Quran in its entirety, read all the hadiths, then you've got to get a PhD in astrophysics, and then you have to decode this riddle I've hidden on a bunch of websites. Would you do all that research before I've answered your simple questions in a way you could understand? Would you want to invest in that company?

I don't think you would. I'd need to convince you the company was doing something real and potentially profitable before you invested your time or money.

So that's what it feels like from my perspective.The questions I asked were pretty simple and obvious -- who do you think built the monument? How do you know they built it? Why did they build it? What does this have to do with the vaccines? -- and so far you've only answered them with more questions, or a list of seemingly-unrelated references.

Before I invest a bunch of time researching logographic thinking, Babylonians, Rothschilds, Saudi Arabia, MK ULTRA, etc etc etc -- I have to have some reason to think there's something valuable there.

I haven't seen anything that makes me think you have a real answer to my simple questions yet, so why would I invest more time in it?

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upchuck-hatbox 0 points ago +1 / -1

I mean it doesn’t seem very successful then… the world population has increased a little over 1% per year every year since 1980.

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upchuck-hatbox 0 points ago +1 / -1

But even if that’s true, why take the risk? How does putting up a weird monument in rural Georgia help them achieve their goals?

If I were in some shady global conspiracy with secret plots for population control, the last thing I would do would be to put up a bunch of coded references to my plans in public. It wouldn’t benefit me at all and it would increase my risks. It’d be like if the Mafia put up billboards confessing to their crimes in oblique riddles. That seems like Scooby Doo shit, not how actual criminal enterprises work.

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upchuck-hatbox 1 point ago +1 / -0

What does thinking logographically mean? Why is that a necessary step? If you want people to “meet you in the middle” I think direct answers to simple questions is a pretty reasonable request.

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upchuck-hatbox 1 point ago +1 / -0

The timestamp that Twitter displays is in your local timezone. For example, Pompeo’s tweet shows a time of 7:27pm in PST. You can test this yourself by changing your computer’s timezone and reloading the tweet. So I don’t think you can draw any conclusions from the timestamp, since it can be different for anyone viewing it.

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upchuck-hatbox 0 points ago +1 / -1

If you want to convince people who don't already believe this stuff, you're going to have to explain it clearly in words. This is just an image. Reading the comments it seems even people here are confused about it.

From the comments I've gathered the monument in the image is the Georgia Guidestones. From reading about them, they were commissioned by an pseudonymous person going by the name "R.C. Christian". So do you claim to know who that person/group was? Who? How do you know? How is that group related to the vaccines? And why would they put up a big monument announcing their evil intentions to the world 40 years before Covid even existed?

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upchuck-hatbox 1 point ago +1 / -0

No, I still don't think I understand what he meant. if "unproven" and "disproven" aren't synonyms, then my guess would've been that "unproven" means something that has neither been proven or disproven. But that wouldn't make sense in the context of "can't be unproven" or "unproven had become proven".

Are you saying that unproven means something that was thought to be proven, then more info came out that made the proof look less convincing? That makes some sense, but then his statement that "unproven had become proven" still doesn't totally work with that definition to me.

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upchuck-hatbox 0 points ago +3 / -3

The wiki article is just a summary of the ideas on falsifiability in the philosophy of science, but if you want a primary source the main thinker associated with the topic is Karl Popper. I don't know what your last few sentences mean.

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upchuck-hatbox 0 points ago +1 / -1

Because you're a disordered thinker having an emotional meltdown because someone on an internet message board questioned your cult leader.

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upchuck-hatbox 1 point ago +1 / -0

Do you? You're the one posting a million links about a million different topics and resorting to childish insults. I'm the one posting paragraphs of full sentences and primary sources.

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upchuck-hatbox -1 points ago +1 / -2

I'm not going to play this game where you post a million off-topic links and I'm responsible for reading all of them as if they add up to something. This one, for instance, is about a mistake by newspapers saying Guiliani was warned by the FBI about being the target of Russian disinfo. It's completely irrelevant to the current discussion. I don't care if he was warned or not.

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upchuck-hatbox 0 points ago +1 / -1

No one except you is talking about Biden at all. Try to stay on topic.

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