They were surprised when I said I had no plans to get the vaccine. They asked, "what if it were mandatory?" And I said, "then we'd have to have a serious conversation about that." The subject was changed quickly to something more light-hearted. But it seems like they're at least considering mandating a vaccine in order to work at this office. And if they do decide that, they'll be looking for a new manager for their shipping department.
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I don't think he means it makes you conspiracy theorist... I think it's for legal posturing. He sounds like a lawfag. ;)
I’m so glad I am self employed. My boss is great!! That would be- Jesus!
Thats funny- I work with a Jesus also and a Manual and Jose. They're cool though.
I have the same boss! I'm retired - kek!
Probably the reason is if you cite CDC data, they will come back with "CDC recommends the vaccination" or some shit at you. If you just decline without a specific reason, there are a multitude of grounds where they simply cannot mandate you get a forced injection. You're not pinning yourself in a corner this way. I agree though, the temptation to shred them in debate is strong. Believe me, I agree!
I hate woke company bullshit like you describe there man. Good luck!
I am disinclined to acquiesce.
Never let them put you in a situation that you can't get out of. If theres anythng that these have taught us it is that we always have to prepare and be three steps ahead.
Disinclined to acquiesce.
Sounds almost like you hesitate to articulate for fear that you might deviate from the proper course of rectitude.
If you cite data, then they can use that data as evidence against you and cost you a whole lot more in money, effectively timing you out.
You need a straight-forward case where the ONLY reason they fired you is because you didn't get the vaccine. Not that you refused it, but that you didn't get it.
If they fire you expressly because you aren't vaccinated, not because you refused to comply by company rules, then you have a case. If you outright refuse then you have gone against company rules and they can fire you for that and not for a personal health choice.
Stupid, I know, but it is your best chance at coming out on top.
.....company rules where they are practicing "medicine" without a license. People have gone to jail for that.
Excuse me, but I just have to ask.
Could not the condition of not receiving vaccination be legal cause for termination regardless of what the condition results from.
For example: Showing up to work is a condition of employment. Matter not whether your not on the job because you verbally refuse to report, or if you simply don't report because of negligence to duty.
To be clear, the goal is to make it absolutely clear to the courts that they fired you for not being vaccinated, not for ignoring company policy. If they find a way to make it about anything else, you're screwed.
If you refuse to take the vaccine outright, then YOU took an action they can fire you for. On paper, they will have fired you for not following policies and not have to bring up what those policies were, even if they are against the law, thus avoiding the topic of them deciding your health for you. They have to be the ones to act first.
Just like the court cases with the election, they don't have to hear the evidence you present if they just focus on a single technicality.
In the case of not showing up for work, if you agreed to do a job and you don't do it then they can fire you. Unless you signed a waver to allow them to decide your health for you, they have no authority to demand you get vaccinated any more than they can demand you get sterilized or get an abortion.
Violates your religious beliefs could be a good one. I mean seriously ... injecting aborted baby parts into your body ?
My company sends out a corporate new letter with the banner Stronger Together. I have felt multiple times like saying something, but I just let it ride. If we have a corporate zoom call and that is displayed, I just open task manager and block it out.