Does anyone know of video footage or court transcripts wherein election fraud is specifically alleged in front of a judge?
He is harping on some talking point he heard in the MSM that Trump's lawyers all said there was no fraud in the courts. And he just stated that if I could come up with one documented case of fraud being alleged in front of a judge he would "keep an open mind on the fraud".
I have been researching myself and it seems all the court cases that specifically alleged fraud were thrown out before they even got before a judge. But if anyone was aware of something I missed, or even just a good response to this particular point that my friend is so stuck on, that would be appreciated.
Seems to me cases tossed without viewng evidence is more suspect than viewing the evidence and then saying it wasn't strong enough.
this. all the cases that were tossed were tossed before evidence was reviewed. I would go to the hearings Giuliani held with legislatures. a good way to explain the corruption in the judicial system might be a deep dive into General Flynn's case and emit Sullivan.
Have him watch the 40 hours of hearings (state leg). If that doesn't change his mind walk away.
why would it have to be argued in front of a judge to be true?
if he knows ANYTHING AT ALL about math? you can show him the statisics which prove it IMPOSSIBLE
or how about MORE PEOPLE VOTED THAN LIVE IN KEY STATES?
those are provable
Melissa Carone. The case in michigan where Rudy Giuliani exposed the judge for not reading the thicc files
Reframe the conversation, so it's less about Trump and the fraud and more about how the MSM is peddling bullshit and are complicit in it. That is a far more important key aspect.
Many take the approach of arguing the merits of the fraud or the cases on Trump's behalf. The problem with that approach is everyone will dismiss it as it appears more "verifiable" that they failed and makes you appear to be someone who screams at the wind. The other problem with this approach is burden of proof which falls entirely on you and some will just tune out upon hearing Trump's name.
So, reframe the conversation to not be about Trump but what the MSM is telling your friend and try and get them to question it. Challenge them to prove you wrong as it should be "dead easy" for them, right? Then ask them questions as to why do they think something would be portrayed this way. Get them thinking.
Here are two examples to get you started:
Here is a thread I made a while ago about it: https://greatawakening.win/p/11SJoXY5VZ/msnbc-and-cnn-election-night-str/ - you will also find torrent magnets for the streams so you can download them. Find instances of the flipping (they are plenty but you'll need patience and pen and paper). Ask your friend to explain this, ask them to find these streams and when they can't, explain why would they remove their coverage of a pivotal evening? Ask them to explain why the networks never acknowledged the flipping occurring and keep pushing the "fraud BS" narrative when you can see it here on their own networks?
And sure, the heavily edited Wikipedia article attempts to use a Politico source to debunk it... but there is still no pictures, so nice "some guy said" story.
Good luck. :D
https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/megan-fox/2020/12/14/forensics-report-on-mich-countys-voting-machines-claims-dominion-intentionally-and-purposefully-designed-for-fraud-n1210573
https://navarroreport.com/
Jesse Binnall in Nevada was permitted one full hour to argue fraud in front of a judge about December, and did an excellent job of establishing sufficient irregularity to proceed further. However, as usual, sufficient irregularity for the man in the street is not the standard that has been used for voter fraud 1860-2020. I'm sure someone can point you to the recordings.
Antrim county MI
Wisconsin 200000 illegal voters
My opinion, first, get off your heels. Don't let your friend push you like that.
However, here's one: https://www.thedailyfodder.com/2020/12/victory-trump-wins-election-case-in.html
This article has a link to ALL the cases, who brought them to the court (not all cases were brought by Trump or his team), and what happened to them in the court. There are currently STILL 30 outstanding cases. https://www.sgtreport.com/2021/01/breaking-exclusive-accurate-list-of-2020-election-fraud-cases-shows-81-cases-total-30-still-active-and-not-one-single-court-has-allowed-evidence-to-be-argued/
Hope that helps. Next time, tell him to provide YOU with FACTS that all of the cases were "thrown out."
As far as I know he's NEVER had a chance to present any evidence in any court. Totally rigged election. Totally corrupt court system.
Feel free to delete the message now, though I don't understand why you wish to.