Philsiophically, I disagree with bible god. Like giving a loaded gun to a toddler - I'd never give free will to someone I know was incapable of using it safely and responsibly... Eternally damaging themselves and/or others in the process. We don't put people in the captain seat of airplanes that can't fly... But for some reason, we've unexplicably determined that giving free will to someone who will just fuck themselves over with it, is good.
It disagree completely.
It's just not loving or responsible at all.... Philisophically speaking, of course.
So, if it's God you're looking for. You may want to reconsider... He's not very kind.
Your beliefs are a product of a myriad of variables... Will, or desire to believe a certain thing is one of the smaller contributors.
Like I said, you still have a lot of growing to do if you think beliefs are simply a product of will or desire.
It's another reason why bible God isn't kind... This is an elementary concept and it even seems to evade "all-knowing" him.
We're products... All of us... We're products of circumstance and experiences that influence our thinking and beliefs. We all believe things we don't want to... Because we have to. Reality does that to us.
Hi, I was just in Oklahoma so hope all is well there.
You've defined free will interestingly, in such a way as to make it obviously repugnant. I would agree that that kind of "free will" would be reprehensible if you would agree that there may be some other type of "free will" that is intellectually defensible, honorable, and "kind".
If you don't see the need to know, you cannot frame your beliefs as you would desire, and reality makes us "have to" do things we don't desire, then what are love, kindness, and responsibility at all? If everything is equally forced and no free will and responsibility exists, what makes one being or action more kind or loving than another?
If someone believes in one of these strawman gods as you describe, patient theologians say to that person, "your god is too small". Is it possible that there does exist a greater arbiter of these moral standards than we ourselves? If the only beings able to judge what is right are we fallible folk and the imaginary, impotent deities we are accused of constructing, why do we believe in right at all?
(Edit: originally said, less clearly, "impotent deities we construct".)
Sure, anything's possible, however, that's just moving the goal posts... My concept is simple... If you love someone, you don't hand them something that will fuck them up if you know it will. What are friends for if they're not looking out for you? But this deity? Combine that with the fallacy that our beliefs are completely ours alone and yet somehow judgement is passed down on this one attribute alone....
Philsiophically, I disagree with bible god. Like giving a loaded gun to a toddler - I'd never give free will to someone I know was incapable of using it safely and responsibly... Eternally damaging themselves and/or others in the process. We don't put people in the captain seat of airplanes that can't fly... But for some reason, we've unexplicably determined that giving free will to someone who will just fuck themselves over with it, is good.
It disagree completely.
It's just not loving or responsible at all.... Philisophically speaking, of course.
So, if it's God you're looking for. You may want to reconsider... He's not very kind.
Your beliefs are a product of a myriad of variables... Will, or desire to believe a certain thing is one of the smaller contributors.
Like I said, you still have a lot of growing to do if you think beliefs are simply a product of will or desire.
It's another reason why bible God isn't kind... This is an elementary concept and it even seems to evade "all-knowing" him.
We're products... All of us... We're products of circumstance and experiences that influence our thinking and beliefs. We all believe things we don't want to... Because we have to. Reality does that to us.
Hi, I was just in Oklahoma so hope all is well there. You've defined free will interestingly, in such a way as to make it obviously repugnant. I would agree that that kind of "free will" would be reprehensible if you would agree that there may be some other type of "free will" that is intellectually defensible, honorable, and "kind". If you don't see the need to know, you cannot frame your beliefs as you would desire, and reality makes us "have to" do things we don't desire, then what are love, kindness, and responsibility at all? If everything is equally forced and no free will and responsibility exists, what makes one being or action more kind or loving than another? If someone believes in one of these strawman gods as you describe, patient theologians say to that person, "your god is too small". Is it possible that there does exist a greater arbiter of these moral standards than we ourselves? If the only beings able to judge what is right are we fallible folk and the imaginary, impotent deities we are accused of constructing, why do we believe in right at all? (Edit: originally said, less clearly, "impotent deities we construct".)
Sure, anything's possible, however, that's just moving the goal posts... My concept is simple... If you love someone, you don't hand them something that will fuck them up if you know it will. What are friends for if they're not looking out for you? But this deity? Combine that with the fallacy that our beliefs are completely ours alone and yet somehow judgement is passed down on this one attribute alone....
Well, it's all just a little under-thought out.