Former lefty here. This is a war in feminism between the old guard (often called Trans Exclusionary Radical Feminists or TERFS by their enemies) and the new guard ( intersectional feminists). Calling a feminist a TERF is basically like using the N word. It's been stigmatized to the full extent possible. So any feminist who stands up against men dressed up as women basically gets shamed out of the community. If they work in academia or in a leftist field they become so undesirable they will not be hired again in their field.
Interesting point. As an actual woman I see the feminist movement as steps backwards for women! I also remember when the idea of "Trans " was absolutely taboo, until the media made it appear okay.Now the LBQT or allowing the "Minor attracted persons" to identify with them. There is something big behind this movement and it has nothing to do with " woman"! IMO!!
I agree. My husband was a huge feminist when we started dating and actually became disillusioned with the movement because he realized it was increasingly abandoning any actual interest in women's rights and simply becoming a place to push intersectional tranny stuff.
I was raised in a far left household but never got the point of modern feminism. My gender has always been a big advantage for me (although Boy Scouts always seemed a lot more legit than Girl Scouts). I never felt at any disadvantage and it was hard for me to believe there was a systemic issue.
Makes sense. Could they possibly privately be mad? I also was a lefty but I've been out for years. I've tried telling people you can't possibly appease your friends if the rules change every day but as you probably know they will just have to see it themselves and walk away.
In my experience lefties who won't conform to the ever changing rule book tend to get red-piled and leave the fold. The lefties that stay believe every new piece of doctrine that comes down from NPR on high. I was a far leftist but never got on board with political correctness/feminism/identity politics. As a woman, I could get away with edgy statements a little longer than a man could have in my position but eventually I realized that the left and I no longer had anything in common. I'm not even in touch with any of my college friends. I was a populist concerned with hegemonic power exercised by the elites - this is no longer an issue leftists care about and all my friends just followed the leader as the rules changed. Obama got in bed with big business and that was that.
Populists are populists we should be on the same side. Trumpers are populists as well. While we disagree with some of the end goals I always thought we should be together as far as getting bug business out. It really stinks that this didn't happen. Identity politics is a huge problem, when you start to tie identity to anything you can convince people to do things that aren't in their best interest. I never really bought into it though I could always see how advertisers were attaching identity to cars and stuff it never really worked on me.
They say in a cult, the leader maintains control by enforcing arbitrary/contradictory rules as strictly as possible. This prevents members of the cult from absorbing a recognizable pattern of morality/correct behavior, which in turn prevents them from making their own decisions. They are reliant upon the leader at every turn to know what they should do because they haven't been given rules they can extrapolate to new situations. Unfortunately, the left is in the same boat. They have so many contradictory rules they have memorized as doctrine, they are at the mercy of the elites when it comes to new rules/situations, they can't make their own decisions. So, yeah, I think when the elites push more sick stuff, modern feminists will absorb it as doctrine and enforce it as sacred truth.
Also, try rationalizing with a feminist their opinion on women registering for the draft at 18 for any military role including combat. They already don’t want to sacrifice anything for the US, so posing the idea that they might have to possibly take an action that is more than symbolically saying they love the country and they might even have to enlist involuntarily and die in a war that we shouldn’t be in COMPLETELY short circuits most feminists’ brains. They don’t comprehend that what America is, is a miracle. And the fact that Trump didn’t start a new armed conflict is almost unprecedented.
And to echo another poster, they don’t care about anything that doesn’t affect them directly. So optics and emotions win that battle every time.
Former lefty here. This is a war in feminism between the old guard (often called Trans Exclusionary Radical Feminists or TERFS by their enemies) and the new guard ( intersectional feminists). Calling a feminist a TERF is basically like using the N word. It's been stigmatized to the full extent possible. So any feminist who stands up against men dressed up as women basically gets shamed out of the community. If they work in academia or in a leftist field they become so undesirable they will not be hired again in their field.
Isn't leftism fun?
Interesting point. As an actual woman I see the feminist movement as steps backwards for women! I also remember when the idea of "Trans " was absolutely taboo, until the media made it appear okay.Now the LBQT or allowing the "Minor attracted persons" to identify with them. There is something big behind this movement and it has nothing to do with " woman"! IMO!!
I agree. My husband was a huge feminist when we started dating and actually became disillusioned with the movement because he realized it was increasingly abandoning any actual interest in women's rights and simply becoming a place to push intersectional tranny stuff.
I was raised in a far left household but never got the point of modern feminism. My gender has always been a big advantage for me (although Boy Scouts always seemed a lot more legit than Girl Scouts). I never felt at any disadvantage and it was hard for me to believe there was a systemic issue.
That would be hilarious. I think the feminists will also manage to hold onto the fatties and the cucks.
And the fattie cucks
Makes sense. Could they possibly privately be mad? I also was a lefty but I've been out for years. I've tried telling people you can't possibly appease your friends if the rules change every day but as you probably know they will just have to see it themselves and walk away.
In my experience lefties who won't conform to the ever changing rule book tend to get red-piled and leave the fold. The lefties that stay believe every new piece of doctrine that comes down from NPR on high. I was a far leftist but never got on board with political correctness/feminism/identity politics. As a woman, I could get away with edgy statements a little longer than a man could have in my position but eventually I realized that the left and I no longer had anything in common. I'm not even in touch with any of my college friends. I was a populist concerned with hegemonic power exercised by the elites - this is no longer an issue leftists care about and all my friends just followed the leader as the rules changed. Obama got in bed with big business and that was that.
Populists are populists we should be on the same side. Trumpers are populists as well. While we disagree with some of the end goals I always thought we should be together as far as getting bug business out. It really stinks that this didn't happen. Identity politics is a huge problem, when you start to tie identity to anything you can convince people to do things that aren't in their best interest. I never really bought into it though I could always see how advertisers were attaching identity to cars and stuff it never really worked on me.
Yeah, identity politics is just a tool the elites are using to try to lock down their feudalist system.
They say in a cult, the leader maintains control by enforcing arbitrary/contradictory rules as strictly as possible. This prevents members of the cult from absorbing a recognizable pattern of morality/correct behavior, which in turn prevents them from making their own decisions. They are reliant upon the leader at every turn to know what they should do because they haven't been given rules they can extrapolate to new situations. Unfortunately, the left is in the same boat. They have so many contradictory rules they have memorized as doctrine, they are at the mercy of the elites when it comes to new rules/situations, they can't make their own decisions. So, yeah, I think when the elites push more sick stuff, modern feminists will absorb it as doctrine and enforce it as sacred truth.
I'm sure most don't play sports, and if something doesn't affect them directly, they don't care about it.
This is true. I play sports, and have NEVER met another woman athlete who wants to compete against men pretending to be women.
They might like to see their transwomen international allies win against the fit and attractive biological women.
Modern feminism is a joke. True feminism was when no woman put out til all men would marry them.
My Dad always said "Why by the cow, when you can get the Milk for free!" Bingo!!
No it won’t because feminism of today is fake woke also so it’s hard to out fake woke the next level of woke
Also, try rationalizing with a feminist their opinion on women registering for the draft at 18 for any military role including combat. They already don’t want to sacrifice anything for the US, so posing the idea that they might have to possibly take an action that is more than symbolically saying they love the country and they might even have to enlist involuntarily and die in a war that we shouldn’t be in COMPLETELY short circuits most feminists’ brains. They don’t comprehend that what America is, is a miracle. And the fact that Trump didn’t start a new armed conflict is almost unprecedented.
And to echo another poster, they don’t care about anything that doesn’t affect them directly. So optics and emotions win that battle every time.