This is a "What If" scenario intended to generate discussion and alternative analysis.
First let's go through a few established known truths:
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The apostle John wrote Revelations while exiled on Patmos
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John was a beloved apostle and was an eyewitness to the teachings and miracles of Jesus
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John was a faithful apostle and reliable
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Revelations is particularly difficult to understand given the imagery and symbolism
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Revelations basic message is that GOD is in control and his Victory is assured. All who believe and trust in Jesus Christ will be saved
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Revelations closes human history in the same way Genesis opened it--- in Paradise
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Genesis describes the introduction of evil to humans, Revelations describes the annihilation of evil for forever
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We've been taught that Revelations describes the end of humanity
So what if Revelations is describing the end of the World as we know it... Not the end of Earth literally?
What if Revelations is a message to the cabal directly... telling them how their rule ends?
What if eradicating the luciferians is literally the eradication of evil forever?
What if when Q uses the word biblical -- it's a reference to the book of Revelations and the last epic battle between Good and evil?
What if the "panic" that Q describes is literally their hysteria and panic knowing that their world is coming to an end?
Call it intuition or a gut feeling.....but my entire life I've been taught that Revelations describes an end to humanity. One week ago it occurred to me that this could be just another misunderstood concept. When I dig in and apply the Q context to Revelations......it makes sense to me that we're witnessing it happen and it's not our destruction that John described. He described THEIR destruction.
Then again... I could be wrong.
It's not RevelationS plural, it's Revelation singular as it's all about The Revelation of Jesus Christ.
Making this association of Q and Revelation is elevating Q too high and bringing the scale and scope of the Book of Revelation too low.
As far as interpreting Revelation, it's entirely full of Old Testament references and imagery. It's basically a test on how well you know the OT to interpret it, which is why I think it's to the remaining Jews. There are no references to the Church after Chapter 3, and the candlesticks referencing the Church are found in heaven before the judgment starts.
The Christians are raptured out before it starts, and the 7-year tribulation's purpose is to bring the Jews back to their God and to come to know who Jesus Christ really is. The whole world will go to war with Israel under the antichrist's banner and they'll be brought to a place where they beg Jesus to save them, finally uniting them with their Savior. Here's an interesting chart giving other explanations and comparisons: https://calvarychapelkaneohe.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/PreTribulationRaptureProof.pdf
Converts to Christ are going to be beheaded during the tribulation, so we can choose to live for Him now, or die for Him later.
Revelation (thank you for correcting him about the S thing.) was about the upcoming destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD.
If you were a Christian in that time you would have seen the city be surrounded by Roman armies that had to leave suddenly and you would have fled to the mountains as instructed in that writing before Rome came back a few days later and destroyed the city and killed everyone there.
When Jesus said "This generation shall not pass till all these things happen" before His execution, He meant it.
There is no rapture. That eschatology (study of end times) has been mainstream for less than 200 years old and was spread my the Scofield Reference Bible which was the first Bible to have notes and explanations in it.
Pre-millennial dispensationalism (rapture / tribulation doctrine) is a lie from the pit of hell and has cut the balls off the church. Satan has tricked churches into laying down, ruling over and waiting for rapture while almost celebrating things getting worse.
We should be fighting and building but who polishes brass on a ship when they think it's sinking?
The only ones that will be swept away are the wicked.... "just like in the days of Noah."
God wins. He says to Jesus "Sit at My right hand while I make all Your enemies Your footstool" more times in the Bible than any other verse.
Read you Bible without the traditions you've been told and taught. You NEVER would have come to the conclusions you currently are espousing on your own.
Some great sermons and explanations on the subject.
Preterism is false.
How odd that the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD (if it did indeed fulfill Revelation) that the Apostle John, only 20 to 25 years later, did not mention refer to it AT ALL in the Book of the Revelation of Jesus Christ.
John, the beloved, the Apostle God chose to write the final book of God's Word, DIDN'T even mention it.
The Reformation brought about many blessed and wonderful conversions and changed the world, but how the Reformers came up with Preterism is beyond me. It's demonstrably false, just using the logic above.
Rapture of the church is false.
Was Noah and his family swept off the Earth? No. Only the wicked.
And God's word says it will be the same way in the end.
God wins.
Post-millennialism not Preterism dude.
Enoch was raptured before the flood, symbolizing the Church. Noah represents Israel, going through the flood, but being preserved while the others who were left behind died from God's judgment.
What are those churches doing or not doing in your opinion?
Churches and Christians should be about their business of The Great Commission of preaching the gospel of Jesus Christ to all nations. Is it that those churches aren’t preaching the gospel, or is it something else?
You guys are such fun! Choose the comments below that apply to you:
Revelation is multilevel and all interpretative structures have some merit but you must be able to interact with the merits of others than your own.
Preterism is somewhat valid, but you must understand what happens after that (Elijah came and is coming).
Pretribulation is somewhat valid, but you must understand what happens after that (wrath). (I teach classical posttribulation premillennialism.)
Teotwawki is somewhat valid, but you must understand what happens after that (new earth).
Postmillennialism is somewhat valid, but you must understand what happens before that (suffering, loss).
Soul-sleep is somewhat valid, but you must understand what happens after that (resurrection) and also during that (waking heart).
True, the church is to keep getting better, but, true, the world is to keep getting worse.
The seals, trumpets, and bowls represent 21 specific limited curses on the wicked, but the churches, signs, and angels represent 21 specific unlimited blessings on the righteous.
The present day is most directly applied to the section Revelation 3:14-6:11. Chapter 4 has fully happened but is partially fulfilled, chapter 5 is partially fulfilled but hasn’t fully happened.
u/colinsackorpick is accurate that Revelation majorly describes the end of the wicked, and validly applies it to the Q plan, which resembles Revelation in microcosm but is not the same endtime.
u/PowTimesTwo is accurate that Revelation majorly tests on Hebrew-Scripture knowledge, but the righteous during the seven-year covenant are our brothers and sisters in Messiah and no less. Also accurate is that massive persecution and mass religious executions are coming including before the rapture, but “beheaded” is a bad translation that undercuts one’s case; the word means just “struck down”.
u/Datasinc and u/Riddance are accurate that Revelation refers in code to the siege of Jerusalem whether or not it was written afterward, but remember the best time to exit the city was 68 (siege lifted) rather than 70, and there is also a future catching away of the righteous according to Thessalonians regardless of how we name or define it or how the wicked are “swept away”. Also accurate is that extreme dispensationalism weakens the Gospel, but Ephesians does teach there is a present dispensation (economy) and a different one to come, and there are differences of administration in the past indicated generally by Scripture.
I am interested in followups for clarification.
Not just preaching the gospel. That's only part of what we should do. We are supposed to take DOMINION over the earth.
Christians founded this nation and used to run the government. Our constitution and bill of rights were based off of principles found in the Bible.
Schools, hospitals, and collages used to be run by the church.
Abortion used to be outlawed. i.e. When was the last time your church saved a life of someone about to murder their baby at PP? We are commanded to spread the gospel and stand in the gap for the innocent and for justice.
Christians used to start projects and build things that wouldn't be realized in their lifetimes for their children and grandchildren. Legacies. But not these days. No one that believes in the rapture is thinking 100+ years into the future.
Christians have retreated to their Christian ghettos instead of building and fighting and hand their children over to the state to teach and raise and are SHOCKED when those kids leave the church. They heard the gospel so by your standards everything was done correctly right?
EVERYTHING belongs to Christ. Church, Schools, Biz, Media, Entertainment, courts, justice. If you're not out there fighting for it then you are an unfaithful servant. A son of a king that ignores his inheritance.
Not just preaching the gospel. That's only part of what we should do. We are supposed to take DOMINION over the earth.
Christians founded this nation and used to run the government. Our constitution and bill of rights were based off of principles found in the Bible.
Schools, hospitals, and collages used to be run by the church.
Abortion used to be outlawed. i.e. When was the last time your church saved a life of someone about to murder their baby at PP? We are commanded to spread the gospel and stand in the gap for the innocent and for justice.
Christians used to start projects and build things that wouldn't be realized in their lifetimes for their children and grandchildren. Legacies. But not these days. No one that believes in the rapture is thinking 100+ years into the future.
Christians have retreated to their Christian ghettos instead of building and fighting and hand their children over to the state to teach and raise and are SHOCKED when those kids leave the church. They heard the gospel so by your standards everything was done correctly right?
EVERYTHING belongs to Christ. Church, Schools, Biz, Media, Entertainment, courts, justice. If you're not out there fighting for it then you are an unfaithful servant. A son of a king that ignores his inheritance.