Folks must be free to have their own views, but when they start walking around criticizing someone because he doesn't fit into his own narrow and self-defined understanding of God and Scripture, they should put on the brakes.
This is the treatment Jesus received at the hand of the Jews. And when you start behaving or talking like the Jewish leaders who murdered Christ, you should really check yourself, and ask if you aren't in danger of ending up in the same location.
Personally, I think PM is totally based and his scriptural understanding is excellent.
Hey, he's not for everyone, right? Why do people feel the need to raise their OWN view of scripture and God and attack someone else's?
The ONLY one who is for everyone is Christ. People can disagree with PM, but they should leave their own prejudices and any predilection to judge as if THEY are authorities at the door.
Too many in this community and on the Right in particular find ways to silence those they don't agree with religiously. If you're in the Q movement but don't believe in their God you must be a Satanist, then try to silence you. If you're in the Q movement, believe in their God, but don't believe like they do, they say you're in conflict with scripture or blasphemous and try to silence you.
It's a lot like the crazies on the Left I've found. They're all for freedom as long as you think and believe like them. It's disgusting.
Well, the great awakening is an awakening en-mass of our world population, but people are still people, and each one of us is responsible to change, grow, and develop ourselves as much as we ever were.
Ultimately, the global awakening directly involves, and requires, the personal awakening of individual personal growth.
"Too many"... It's always been too many. But for every Great Awakening patriot who is still clinging to narrowness of heart and narrowness of mind, there are two who have made great leaps internally, and who affirm the greatness of what we are a part of.
I'd say, put aside those that are slow off the mark, and harken to those who represent the best. In that regards, nothing has really changed. What HAS changed is the overall situation - freedom makes growth possible. Whether we avail ourselves of the freedom God gives us is always a personal choice.
You can find his books on Amazon just search Praying Medic and each one gives a description. He seems to border on the line of those charismatic heretics that flop around on tv claiming to be getting demons out and healing grandma while also throwing in a mix of some new-age blasphemy like "How to appear in the courts of heaven" "How to know when you're being accused"
Jesus healed and cast out demons from numerous people, and commissioned his followers to do the same. How is this blasphemous? You sound like the Pharisees who accused Christ of performing miracles through Beelzebub. I've personally witnessed and experienced miraculous healing and deliverances myself.
I don't know much about the courts of heaven concept but there was indeed a heavenly court in Zechariah 3 where Satan functioned as the accuser. In fact, Satan was called the "accuser of the brethren" in Revelation. That's why Jesus is our mediator before God the judge. He's our defense attorney, so to speak. Sounds Biblical to me.
Because these televangelists and most charismatics do not want you to go to the doctor to confirm the healing, many many many people die because of this. Christ healed people, he didn't fake it and if hospitals like today were around back then he would encourage the people to keep seeing the doctors.
Personally, I've never believed televangelists but can you provide source for the "many many many" people who died?
I've read one of Praying Medic's books on healing and he never said not to go to the doctor. The guy actually worked in the medical field as a paramedic for several decades. That was how he got his nickname "praying medic", because he'd often pray for his patients as he transported them to the hospital.
Anyway, you threw around a lot of wild accusations without having read any of Praying Medic's books. Q told us to "research for yourself." Looks like you skipped the research part.
This is a good point that should NOT be overlooked.
The self proclaimed spiritually gifted high profile and profitable groups and individuals do correlate to spiritual abuse in one form or another. I'm not saying PM is a specific case, but its a common phenomenon among the charismatics. Why? They assume the written Word is not enough for life and godliness, and that experiential divine encounters are necessary for the next level. This typically appeals to the emotional side and the sensuous side of human behavior (what is experienced with the senses is "really real", therefore, God) and a number of pitfalls and painful experiences can and will result from that eventually. Caveat emptor. Be careful who you follow.
Such as? Mainly just listened to his Q content and not so much the religious aspect. I'm curious.
FYI: These guys are against the gifts of the Holy Spirit and their application in the life of Christians. Now THAT is in conflict with scripture.
Folks must be free to have their own views, but when they start walking around criticizing someone because he doesn't fit into his own narrow and self-defined understanding of God and Scripture, they should put on the brakes.
This is the treatment Jesus received at the hand of the Jews. And when you start behaving or talking like the Jewish leaders who murdered Christ, you should really check yourself, and ask if you aren't in danger of ending up in the same location.
Personally, I think PM is totally based and his scriptural understanding is excellent.
Hey, he's not for everyone, right? Why do people feel the need to raise their OWN view of scripture and God and attack someone else's?
The ONLY one who is for everyone is Christ. People can disagree with PM, but they should leave their own prejudices and any predilection to judge as if THEY are authorities at the door.
In my view.
criticism of a high profile self proclaimed spiritually gifted individual = compare to Pharisees persecuting Jesus.
That fallacy didn't take long at all.
Jesus: the most widely known high profile self proclaimed spiritually gifted individual
Hey, criticism is fine. Judgment, on the other hand, is a double edged sword. That's all I'm saying.
Make of it what you will. We're all adults here (I'm assuming)
They’re probably fans of Kim Clement too.
Too many in this community and on the Right in particular find ways to silence those they don't agree with religiously. If you're in the Q movement but don't believe in their God you must be a Satanist, then try to silence you. If you're in the Q movement, believe in their God, but don't believe like they do, they say you're in conflict with scripture or blasphemous and try to silence you.
It's a lot like the crazies on the Left I've found. They're all for freedom as long as you think and believe like them. It's disgusting.
Well, the great awakening is an awakening en-mass of our world population, but people are still people, and each one of us is responsible to change, grow, and develop ourselves as much as we ever were.
Ultimately, the global awakening directly involves, and requires, the personal awakening of individual personal growth.
"Too many"... It's always been too many. But for every Great Awakening patriot who is still clinging to narrowness of heart and narrowness of mind, there are two who have made great leaps internally, and who affirm the greatness of what we are a part of.
I'd say, put aside those that are slow off the mark, and harken to those who represent the best. In that regards, nothing has really changed. What HAS changed is the overall situation - freedom makes growth possible. Whether we avail ourselves of the freedom God gives us is always a personal choice.
LOL. That's funny.
No thanks.
You can find his books on Amazon just search Praying Medic and each one gives a description. He seems to border on the line of those charismatic heretics that flop around on tv claiming to be getting demons out and healing grandma while also throwing in a mix of some new-age blasphemy like "How to appear in the courts of heaven" "How to know when you're being accused"
Definitely blasphemous, defiantly demonic.
Jesus healed and cast out demons from numerous people, and commissioned his followers to do the same. How is this blasphemous? You sound like the Pharisees who accused Christ of performing miracles through Beelzebub. I've personally witnessed and experienced miraculous healing and deliverances myself.
I don't know much about the courts of heaven concept but there was indeed a heavenly court in Zechariah 3 where Satan functioned as the accuser. In fact, Satan was called the "accuser of the brethren" in Revelation. That's why Jesus is our mediator before God the judge. He's our defense attorney, so to speak. Sounds Biblical to me.
Because these televangelists and most charismatics do not want you to go to the doctor to confirm the healing, many many many people die because of this. Christ healed people, he didn't fake it and if hospitals like today were around back then he would encourage the people to keep seeing the doctors.
Personally, I've never believed televangelists but can you provide source for the "many many many" people who died?
I've read one of Praying Medic's books on healing and he never said not to go to the doctor. The guy actually worked in the medical field as a paramedic for several decades. That was how he got his nickname "praying medic", because he'd often pray for his patients as he transported them to the hospital.
Anyway, you threw around a lot of wild accusations without having read any of Praying Medic's books. Q told us to "research for yourself." Looks like you skipped the research part.
For more info, do some research on "New Apostolic Reformation and spiritual abuse".
This is a good point that should NOT be overlooked.
The self proclaimed spiritually gifted high profile and profitable groups and individuals do correlate to spiritual abuse in one form or another. I'm not saying PM is a specific case, but its a common phenomenon among the charismatics. Why? They assume the written Word is not enough for life and godliness, and that experiential divine encounters are necessary for the next level. This typically appeals to the emotional side and the sensuous side of human behavior (what is experienced with the senses is "really real", therefore, God) and a number of pitfalls and painful experiences can and will result from that eventually. Caveat emptor. Be careful who you follow.
Cool they can be heretics of heretics of heretics of schismatics.
SophiatheCopt: Agreed.