Do y’all have any good sources that masks don’t work? Like CDC sources and stuff like that. I already know it’s a bunch of bs and I’ve read about it but I’m fighting with HR where I work and they asked me for sources for my claim
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Be careful, Cody. HR isn’t on the side of the employees. HR’s sole purpose is to protect the company.
It's also in the realm of possibility they'll use MSM "fact checkers" to "debunk" your claims.
Thank you. I know they’re not. I hate my job anyways and I have enough saved up to live a year without being employed so I’m not worried about it. I’m just sick of this and I’m going to at least try and fight back
The disclaimer against protecting against viruses is actually printed on the side of the box of those flat surgical-type masks.
Tell them to read the box. Printed right there.
Yes. Tens of sources in these below articles. The first one is an AMAZING read. Read it thoroughly and understand the science behind this. The second article is also amazing.
https://www.rcreader.com/commentary/masks-dont-work-covid-a-review-of-science-relevant-to-covide-19-social-policy
https://www.rcreader.com/commentary/still-no-conclusive-evidence-justifying-mandatory-masks
Mask Mandate Comparison pictures (Quick redpills): https://gofile.io/d/jPUJd0
Quick Summary (Quite difficult to review this science briefly):
Why do masks not work?
The epidemic’s basic reproduction number (R0) is highly or predominantly dependent on ambient absolute humidity.
Viral particles, or virions, are one of the smallest known bioaerosol agents, with a particle diameter ranging from 20 to 300 nm.
Viruses are measured in nanometers or microns (1 nanometer is 1/billionth of a meter, while 1 micron is 1/millionth of a meter) and viruses typically measure 125 nanometers or .125 micron. Viruses are carried as part of larger particles that range in measurement between 0.02 - 0.14 microns. Particles are transported in aerosols and droplets. Aerosols are typically less than 5 microns, while droplets are often larger, ranging between 5 - 10 microns.
Mask pores have a wider range of diameter sizes, anywhere from 80-500 microns. While viruses always travel as part of larger particles carried in aerosols or droplets, mask pores' larger circumference arguably can't prevent most flow through of smaller aerosol particles that carry ever smaller bacteria and viruses.
Researchers from the University of Minnesota found that the infectious dose of SARS-CoV-2 is just 300 virions (viral particles), whereas a single minute of normal speaking may generate more than 750,000 virions, making cloth face masks unlikely to prevent an infection. https://swprs.org/face-masks-evidence/
The 50-percent probability MID (“TCID50”) has variably been found to be in the range 100−1000 virions
There are typically 10 to 3rd power − 10 to 7th power virions per aerolized influenza droplet with diameter 1 μm − 10 μm
The 50-percent probability MID easily fits into a single (one) aerolized droplet
Therefore, the studies that show partial stopping power of masks, or that show that masks can capture many large droplets produced by a sneezing or coughing mask-wearer, in light of the above-described features of the problem, are irrelevant. For example, such studies as these: Leung (2020), Davies (2013), Lai (2012), and Sande (2008).
There are studies that show that masks can reduce water droplets from getting through. There are several problems with those studies.
At this point I am mostly convinced we wear masks because it increases the death count. Indeed, the CDC data suggests that the most likely cause of death in this "pandemic" is Pneumonia. The disease that comes from bacteria that breeds in non-sterilized masks.
RE #5: A couple days ago I found that article. People claimed Fauci said masks were not good. I read the article. Though there was no mention of masks Fauci stated that the deaths of Spanish flu was caused by bacterial pneumonia on top of viral pneumonia. However recently it was found that bacterial pneumonia develops from moist masks being re-inhaled. Kids wearing masks at gym class were passing out and in hospital were found to have bacterial pneumonia.
There is no medicine or procedure that works for everyone. For example some people cant take aspirin and go with ibuprophen. I have congestive heart failure and copd. I cannot wear a mask for more than 45 minutes before I need a nebulizer.
I found somewhat successful is if you are forced to wear a mask by employer then accept in writing any liability as all covid-related directives are experimental and as such should be voluntary.
I agree about the death count, the real reasons for these masks. They absolutely cannot prevent viruses of any size. They are merely to prevent the spread of droplets (droplets don't spread Covid either). I found this on a medical website :"Surgical face masks are not effective for the following uses: Blocking small particles like airborne viruses or COVID-19 Preventing the risk of contracting a virus like the flu or COVID-19 in non-infected individuals' They do however increase the risk of bacterial infection, because most people use them more than once. Thanks medical professionals! Hope they're paying you well for killing fellow citizens.
Doesn't the box say not effective against covid 19?
Didn't one of the more recent CDC releases pretty much concede that mask mandates don't work?
It was a CDC "study" that worked more like a survey of those who tested positive, of those surveyed 85% either sometimes or always wore a mask.
There wasn't any real experiment done on efficacy of mask or even delved beyond superficial questions but anecdotally disproved masks working, iirc.
Wow! Thank you for this
https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20210308/cdc-issues-new-report-on-face-mask-effectiveness
Don't be fooled by the spin of the writer, but this shows that masks are less than 2% effective, and that restaurants are a very low spreader of the 'deadly virus'. Go get 'em, soldier!
Lots of links: masks are a lie. https://pastebin.com/5xEMa5P7
https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/coronavirus/major-mask-study-rejected-multiple-journals-amid-rumors-it-shows-masks
Masks Don’t work, countries that require do badly
https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/2020/11/most-masked-european-countries-have-biggest-daniel-greenfield/
Aug 19 2008: by Fauci, “Bacterial Pneumonia Caused Most Deaths in 1918 Influenza Pandemic” https://archive.vn/ORxsb
Jan 25 2021 New Study Finds Masks Hurt Schoolchildren Physically, Psychologically, and Behaviorally https://archive.vn/jkSWS
Masks cause illness. Impetigo and pnemonia (as well as legionaries) https://archive.vn/A1bsw
“Mask mouth” https://archive.vn/zI9Ds
85% of covid patients tied to mask wearing Only 3.9% of those infected said they “never” wear a face covering. https://archive.vn/5DhMa
Hospital caused pneumonia? https://archive.vn/jht7x
Breathing in micro particles is comparable to asbestos inhalation, could cause or aggravate cancer.
https://www.ed.ac.uk/medicine-vet-medicine/news-events/all-news/news-2012/nanofibres-220812
Need for assessing the inhalation of micro(nano)plastic debris shed from masks, respirators, and home-made face coverings during the COVID-19 pandemic. Particle studies are insufficient for the current usage. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7537728/
Save the turtles ban the masks
https://i.maga.host/rr8wcCj.png
https://swprs.org/face-masks-evidence/ Bookmark this
Be careful what you ask for. My experience over the last 35 years is that when you take any safety item to managers they overreact and we end up bearing the brunt of "new and improved safety programs". In other words , if you prove that masks are ineffective, be ready for them to force you to do your job in a total encapsulated suit! I agree that masks do not work, they even say so on many of the containers they come in, But be ready to be forced to use something that does work.
“Works”?
Works against what?
A highly survivable virus it would have been far better to have the healthy exposed to over a year ago?
There will always be viruses around that can conceivably harm people. That will never change.
The totalitarian fear-mongers don’t give a rat’s ass what works, or even if thousands or millions or billions die. They care about control.
What works is freedom of speech, freedom from fear, and individual liberty. Not just hypothetically; practically.
Believe me, HR/Managers will go through every thing that they say works(even if we know it doesn't) until you are the boys in the bubbles!
If they want to make the same ineffectiveness that much more absurd and obvious, go right ahead.
These mask Karen’s want to virtue signal on the visible and cheap; so yes, let’s suit those saggy windbags up in positive pressure rebreather Minion-looking suits. Oh, well, they’ll probably love it, but far more people are going to say “Fck no. For what now? This is insane.” than we currently see with the creepy, gross, dehumanizing, virtue-signaling but low-effort mask nonsense.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7680614/?fbclid=IwAR2EJ__tfhXAJrgb3GAy4cQIcmZrC2vIjzv7FGXsKtemUQlMwXZ7rea9D7Q
I agree with the others here but if you want some literature to read try this. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7680614/
https://www.cdc.gov/niosh/npptl/topics/respirators/factsheets/respsars.html
CDC website about SARS. I’m a PhD CIH. For 50 years the ‘science’ has been settled that face masks are inadequate. Your OSHA insoector would laugh as he wrote your citation. However, question everything. If I can publish multiple peer-reviewed papers in the field, ANYONE can.
“Do surgical masks provide protection against SARS?
Surgical masks are not designed for use as particulate respirators and do not provide as much protection as an N-95 respirator. Most surgical masks do not effectively filter small particles from air and do not prevent leakage around the edge of the mask when the user inhales.
If surgical masks do not protect against airborne diseases, why are surgical masks suggested for use against SARS when no N-95 respirators are available?
Surgical masks are recommended only as a last resort for health care and medical transport workers exposed to SARS patients when no NIOSH-approved respirator equivalent to or greater than the N-95 is available. SARS appears to be transmitted mainly through direct contact with infectious materials (including large respiratory particles), and surgical masks will provide barrier protection against droplets that are considered to be the primary route of SARS transmission. However, surgical masks may not adequately protect against aerosol or airborne particles, primarily because they do not effectively filter small particles from the air, they allow leakage around the mask, and they cannot be fit tested. Because scientists cannot currently rule out the spread of SARS through the air, CDC recommends a NIOSH-approved respirator equivalent to or greater than the N-95.
Surgical masks may also be placed on patients with communicable conditions like SARS to contain respiratory droplets and prevent spread of infectious particles.”
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7680614/
Start here: https://pastebin.com/5xEMa5P7
There is A LOT to go over in that link. Read carefully.
Then there's this thing: NiH facemasks useless, carry ill effects https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7680614/ http://archive.today/B20mm
Also, it should be noted that the CDC recently released a paper that compared infection rates between mask and non-mask states. The results were statistically significant, meaning that they are confident that the mask variable accounts for the difference. The difference in infection? 0.5%. That's 1/200 people. A rather insignificant difference and I still contend that there are more variables that need to be considered in order to determine whether masks make a difference.
View this one-page report: https://www.ftportfolios.com/Blogs/EconBlog/2021/3/5/coronavirus-high-frequency-data-030521
Lastly, here's a good quote from a PBS documentary that you can pull up and show them.
PBS Documentary on 1918 Flu Pandemic (Spanish Flu) "All of America, it seemed, put on masks. At last, many thought, they were safe. But masks didn't help. They were thin and porous -- no serious restraint to tiny microbes. It was like trying to keep out dust with chicken wire." "A resolution shot through Congress, giving the Public Health Service a million dollars to fight the flu. Biochemists around the country worked feverishly to develop a vaccine. [...] But even vaccines didn't help." https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/films/influenza/#transcript http://archive.today/IYjlo
Don't just present this to HR, spread it far and wide. Tell the world. Make flyers. Hand them to grocery clerks and waiters. Give them to local businesses. This information is being suppressed.
dutch study, repeat no good studies conducted longitudinally like the dutch study to suggest their is a benefit for wearing a mask with good science instead of these models lacking empirical data and definitive results