Just a dumb observation ... if they remove containers it changes the buoyancy... ship raises up out of mud... floats away.
It’s not like they are gonna open the containers just move to smaller ships to get it in stuck... I said to do that day one but I’m no engineer, just have common sense
That's what the article says. That if they removed the tremendous weight of the containers it will get it up enough to float. I just wonder why it took so long to come to this conclusion. As you said, you said it on day 1. Surely some of them "experts" thought about it.
It’s much like the story of the truck stuck under the over pass... the police, fire department and engineers all stood around proposing different ideas... cut the bridge, being welders or high power jacks.... a little bit walks up and say why not just let the air of the tires and drive it out....
Experts usually miss the obvious but over complicating things... in my opinion...
But to the ‘Hope’ of this post... I also hope they unload and discover SOMETHING to start this thing off ... I been holding onto these fireworks for too long now
The troops, workers, low guys on the totem pole usually have the best ideas to solve problems. Then you introduce someone in charge: Officer, chief, whoever...then things get all fucked up. I see this time and time again in the fire dept
it may not be that easy. look at the waterline on the ships side... the painted red portion is elevated far up out of the water on the bow side. there is a lot of ship resting on/into that bank...
couple that with the "stucktion" of being wedged in there like that... like when you step in deep mud and it'll pull your boot right off your foot.
this is even more of a problem because it's abrasive sand.
they are going to have to vibrate the ship and the sand to hydrolyze the sand and water into an emulsion to break those forces.
like when you see guys pouring cement walls inside forms... they have those vibrating tools on the end of a hose they can submerge down into the wet concrete to get everything in a liquid state to allow trapped air to work it's way to the surface.
i mean i don't have a fucking clue on the specific situation or factors, i'm not there, all i have to go by is how far out of the water that bow is and a rough understanding of how heavy that ship is.
it's one of the largest of it's kind ever built... it's completely maxed out to the size of the worlds shipping canals.
we are talking a lot of weight here, even without the loaded containers.
they will likely have to resort to using a boom dredge to suck all the sand away from the bow as the ship presses down on the bank... they will have to "undermine" it (dangerous job)... and who knows how far back that thing is high centered... whoever did this set it to "ramming speed" before he veered into the bank... it's wedged in there real fuckin good.
Look on the side of any ship to see what are called "Draft Marks," which indicate at a glance how much ship is below the waterline. Buoyancy changes cause change in the waterline; removal of weight/containers does lighten the ship "Lightering," but how to position cranes to lift those ceu's?
I did not know this... I’m no merchant marine but any sort... I would just assume taking weight would raise the vessel... but apparent I am incorrect. Thanks for the info
Just a dumb observation ... if they remove containers it changes the buoyancy... ship raises up out of mud... floats away.
It’s not like they are gonna open the containers just move to smaller ships to get it in stuck... I said to do that day one but I’m no engineer, just have common sense
That's what the article says. That if they removed the tremendous weight of the containers it will get it up enough to float. I just wonder why it took so long to come to this conclusion. As you said, you said it on day 1. Surely some of them "experts" thought about it.
It’s much like the story of the truck stuck under the over pass... the police, fire department and engineers all stood around proposing different ideas... cut the bridge, being welders or high power jacks.... a little bit walks up and say why not just let the air of the tires and drive it out....
Experts usually miss the obvious but over complicating things... in my opinion...
But to the ‘Hope’ of this post... I also hope they unload and discover SOMETHING to start this thing off ... I been holding onto these fireworks for too long now
The troops, workers, low guys on the totem pole usually have the best ideas to solve problems. Then you introduce someone in charge: Officer, chief, whoever...then things get all fucked up. I see this time and time again in the fire dept
True that. Very few Chief officers with whole brains intact.
My experience is that the "someone in charge" is as worthless as tits on a nun if they didn't start out as one of those "low guys on the totem pole".
If that someone in charge worked their way up, they'll more than likely do a good job.
God help them if it is some overeducated pimple prick that got the position as a reward.
it may not be that easy. look at the waterline on the ships side... the painted red portion is elevated far up out of the water on the bow side. there is a lot of ship resting on/into that bank...
couple that with the "stucktion" of being wedged in there like that... like when you step in deep mud and it'll pull your boot right off your foot.
this is even more of a problem because it's abrasive sand.
they are going to have to vibrate the ship and the sand to hydrolyze the sand and water into an emulsion to break those forces.
like when you see guys pouring cement walls inside forms... they have those vibrating tools on the end of a hose they can submerge down into the wet concrete to get everything in a liquid state to allow trapped air to work it's way to the surface.
i mean i don't have a fucking clue on the specific situation or factors, i'm not there, all i have to go by is how far out of the water that bow is and a rough understanding of how heavy that ship is.
it's one of the largest of it's kind ever built... it's completely maxed out to the size of the worlds shipping canals.
we are talking a lot of weight here, even without the loaded containers.
they will likely have to resort to using a boom dredge to suck all the sand away from the bow as the ship presses down on the bank... they will have to "undermine" it (dangerous job)... and who knows how far back that thing is high centered... whoever did this set it to "ramming speed" before he veered into the bank... it's wedged in there real fuckin good.
TIL "hydrolyze"?
i liked "stuction" a lot too.
Look on the side of any ship to see what are called "Draft Marks," which indicate at a glance how much ship is below the waterline. Buoyancy changes cause change in the waterline; removal of weight/containers does lighten the ship "Lightering," but how to position cranes to lift those ceu's?
I did not know this... I’m no merchant marine but any sort... I would just assume taking weight would raise the vessel... but apparent I am incorrect. Thanks for the info
No, you got it right - maybe my explanation was confusing. Removing weight (containers) does raise the ship.