...when you inform a newly vax’d person of the CV19 serum that 3 of the 4 are not actually “vaccines” but, MRNA (gene therapy). I felt bad when I saw the look on his face, the embarrassment that followed was uncomfortable when they realized what they did. He was angry he wasn’t able to get the J&J offering after this conversation. It was a painful talk but, necessary. People need to be informed. Doctors shouldn’t offer it to unknowing patients as if it was a flu shot. Ill keep doing my part.
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Personally, I'm not going to tell people after the fact. I see no benefit in worrying them.
It wasn’t completely intentional. We were on the pandemic topic and most of the mRNA talk happened before he said he got it. He then brought up how he tried to get the J&J. The worst part is he justified it by saying he had a lot of travel planned and didn’t want to be restricted on flights. The problem with that he shows people are willingly taking a jab for “freedoms”.
Yes. It’s cruel. And then the worry could be a catalyst.
The J&J is the same as the other poisons. Just a different method of poisoning. I did the same thing. After saying that I was not getting the jab, that there will be a lot of dead people and buyers remorse in 6 months, he said he got the shot. I felt bad.
I heard the J&J one is basically an amped up flu shot. Still bad but not as scary as the mRNA operating system shots (that do not even meet the criteria to be called a vaccine).
I heard that also, but it turns out it is mRNA also, different delivery system.
Really?? Good to know. Have to correct the neighbor who was telling me about it being not a big deal. Hosp admin so I THOUGHT she knew what she was talking about. My fault for making that silly assumption!
Same end result. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/health/johnson-johnson-covid-19-vaccine.html
They are using a modified virus to inject DNA that will then produce the mRNA and it is not much if any better then the other poisons. You will still have women sterilized, and just wait for next flu season. Remember the last time they tried this shit ALL the test animals died when exposed to the virus in the wild.
Dont try being sarcastic, you are not good at it.
I wasn't being sarcastic at all. Meant that sincerely. It IS good to know and I appreciate the info. I was joking about me being foolish to trust a hospital admin person. I am anti-vax in general. No flu shots. Ever. And haven't had the flu in ten years. Oregano oil and a massive dose of C kill of any sign of a cold/flu before it ever takes hold.
Oh my bad. All of those gene therapy shots are poison. I was talking to a guy today and he took the 1st shot. I tried to talk him out of the second one. He kept going "they would not give it to people if it was not safe". He did look a little concerned when I told him that they skipped animal trials because the last time all the animals died or that it is considered experimental and doesnt have fda approval because no safety trials took place and he is the trial.
I wish him luck.
Yeah. I do not get it. Some people are so brainwashed they simply cannot alter their perception long enough to even consider info that threatens their stability and comfort.
Do they have to sign a paper saying they've been fully informed of the risks ?
I did not ask. I’m sure he did as you do with just about anything. The MRNA aspect doesn’t seem to be common knowledge.
J&J is not a vaccine either. (I think its almost identical to the Astrazeneca one).
It takes an adenovirus, alters its DNA to express the SARS-cov-2 protein on its surface and so that it doesn't itself replicate (as a whole virus). I don't really have a problem with this part of it. It also however then gets into the cell and injects the DNA for the SARS-cov-2 spike protein into the nucleus, encouraging the machinery to make an mRNA that will go into the cytosol and from there its basically the same as the other mRNA immunotherapies.
Unlike the mRNA vaccines the J&J can alter endogenous DNA (your genome), or at least it has a much, much higher probability of doing so. It is still not likely, and it is a completely useless means of trying to alter DNA in a controlled fashion in an organism, but in this case it is not impossible for it to happen in a cell unlike the mRNA vaccines (a common but baseless fear of them).
I don't see this vaccine as worse per se, but it is certainly not better (in theory).
Having said that, the only way to know which are better is through experimentation. Using the entire human population as the test is not an appropriate path.
Edit: I should note that just because these CAN alter DNA, doesn't mean they will. For most people not a single cell will incorporate these spike protein DNA into their genome (it will be broken down before that happens). For those rare few where it does happen, it will only happen in a single cell. That cell will then most likely be killed by the immune system (since that's the desired response). Even if it isn't killed, its extremely unlikely to be altered in a stem cell, and even less likely to be altered in the germline. So even though its not impossible like the mRNA vaccines, its still so unlikely that to fear it is unreasonable. Fearing a lion attack in the arctic is more reasonable.
But add that risk to 8,000,000,000 people and who knows what could happen from the shot. It’s not a small sample size they are playing with.
So lets say that this protein from the vaccine gets added to the germline. Its unlikely, but across the entire population its not impossible. The same thing could happen with many viruses. In fact, a whole lot of our genes ARE from viruses. Viruses are one of natures ways to transfer genes. It is very unlikely for it to happen from the actual SARS virus because SARS is an RNA virus. However, many viruses are DNA viruses (the nonmodified adenovirus that is the base for the J&J is one such virus). The outcome of such an event would probably have one of two effects.
(There are other possible outcomes, but this is close enough for this discussion).
This is how biology works. Its very likely one of the factors in how every species came to be. It actually happens all the time, where by all the time its extremely rare, but over a billion years across quadrillions (or more) of life forms it causes amazing diversity. It is a basic part of biological evolution.
My point is, even if it happens to one or more persons its not something to worry about because these things happen all the time (on an evolutionary scale).
God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, courage to change the things I can, and wisdom to know the difference.
The vaccine falls under the “courage to change the things I can”
You are correct. You do not have to take the vaccine. In my opinion you should fight by every legal and moral path you possess to not take any of them (future data may change my mind, if we are ever not lied to about it).
My only real point was you don't have to fear for the future genetics of the human race because of them. That doesn't mean they won't do OTHER things where that is not the case. It only means, that for any of these vaccines, that is not a reasonable fear.
Thank you. But I think it’s misleading to say “don’t worry about it, it happens in ‘evolution’ all the time” Nothing about the vaccine will “improve our chances to reproduce” matter of fact I’d argue the vaccine is devolution.
When you study biology you begin to understand what is and what isn't a reasonable fear. Seriously, these things have been happening for the entirety of life on this earth. We will be ok from this aspect of these vaccines, I promise. (Unless they aren't what they say they are, which is highly unlikely given the data.)
You are welcome to fear whatever you wish of course, but as a biologist and designer of similar bio-nanotechnology to these vaccines, and having studied and worked with these things for a decade, this is completely not a fear for me. There are plenty of things to worry about; for me, this is not one of them at all.
I did study biology, not to the level you did, but their is a lot of unknowns. Anyone claiming otherwise is full of hot air. Scientific method states nothing is proven only disproven and adjusted. I’m not scared of my DNA/RNA changing due the hand of man, but concerned for mankind of the lasting/unknown/known but hidden consequences for trying to play God.
It could be a death sentence.
Like I've been doing ever since Trump was elected, I just keep my mouth shut.